Node Housing - Houses

I have not been around as much lately, so i apologize if this has been discussed and I missed it.

In the Village Node video, they made a point to go look at a House that belonged to a player. Is this a new thing, houses that are you are able to place out side of the node? Is this a piece of the freehold change that has been over looked?

Can i buy a house and then place it out in the world, like a freehold? Can I put a house near the freehold that I have access to through the family system?

So, there will be freeholds and Houses out in the world? Is this correct? I always thought all the node housing but freeholds were actually contained within the node.

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Abarat

Jamation wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

seems odd to call a house in the woods a 'main street" mansion. that is all.

That's because it isn't a mansion yet...

Mansions are only in a metropolis level node, which this only showed a village stage. With every upgrade of the node the city will expand and get bigger. So that small house in the village will gain the ability to become a mansion after the node levels up. AKA the node will expand around it so much that what used to be on the outskirts is now a central hub.

It is not the 'mansion' word that confuses me... it get the upgrade path for them... what i am trying, apparently poorly, to say is that it seems weird to call them main street mansions when they are in the woods....

You guys believe they will be moved from the woods to the interior of the node at the metropolis stage? that is what I am missing?

Ludullu

Abarat wrote: »

You guys believe they will be moved from the woods to the interior of the node at the metropolis stage? that is what I am missing?

First of all they are not really in the woods. They're like 5 meters away from the walls. Second of all, look at any history of growing cities. Or just old cities that have super old buildings at their center. Stuff that was "on the outskirts" ends up being directly in the center.

The same will apply to metros. There's been no indication that nodes will only grow vertically instead of into their surroundings.

Jamation

Abarat wrote: »

You guys believe they will be moved from the woods to the interior of the node at the metropolis stage? that is what I am missing?

Somewhat yet. It's not that the house will move spots, but that the town itself will grow.

This is video is 6 years old so it's a little outdated graphically, but it will give you a better visual understanding of what will happen as we've seen from A1 so far: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mMvubbX-SHg&t=306s

If you watch the conclusion at 4:50 onwards you can see the node starts as a little campfire, then gets some tents, and continues to expand as the node "levels up". Using the fire pit (which then turns into a picnic building thing) you can see that the areas that would have been "in the woods" of those lower level nodes have now become the central point of the higher level nodes.

I drew this super ugly picture just to give a general idea as well. In the video we see the house on the edge of the village node. But if the node continues to expand we can see that black dot marking the house is now much closer to the center of the total area of the city rather than on the outskirts.

This is also just for display purposes and is not going to be accurate to scale or anything, just from my understanding/experience:

I know there was a more up-to-date stream that showed a node expanding after leveling up, but I can't find it right now.

Dygz

Keep in mind that a Metro will contain 17 Nodes. 4 of those will be Villages.
The ZoI of the Metro will have expanded past the wall around the original Village.
We might even expect that wall to have been destroyed to make room for the expansion of the original House to become a Mansion.

Abarat

NiKr wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

You guys believe they will be moved from the woods to the interior of the node at the metropolis stage? that is what I am missing?

First of all they are not really in the woods. They're like 5 meters away from the walls. Second of all, look at any history of growing cities. Or just old cities that have super old buildings at their center. Stuff that was "on the outskirts" ends up being directly in the center.

The same will apply to metros. There's been no indication that nodes will only grow vertically instead of into their surroundings.

so, you are saying they will be integrated as the node footprint grows? They will go from outside the walls, to be included inside the walls? This may be a bigger deal then it seems, because those houses are destructible in a node raid/siege/war I believe. So, they are cheaper perhaps at lvl 3, but they are far more vulnerable in a raid or monster event. I guess this is a risk vs. reward item as well.

Seems kinda weird to not include them in the footprint from the beginning.

I am sure it will be great, just a little confused. In Alpha 1, i believe the 'houses' were inside the node interior.

I bet they have plans to make Metros bigger, just like they did with Freeholds.

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Keep in mind that a Metro will contain 17 Nodes. 4 of those will be Villages.

I see where you got this... 85 / 5, but I think this is a very oversimplified way of thinking about this...the vassal system will have limiters which may make this not true, at least that is the way I understand it. For example, nodes level 1 and 2 do not support citizenship, so have almost no value in this equation, except maybe to make room for the type of node you would like to advance in a particular area.

Jamation

Abarat wrote: »

so, you are saying they will be integrated as the node footprint grows? They will go from outside the walls, to be included inside the walls? This may be a bigger deal then it seems, because those houses are destructible in a node raid/siege/war I believe. So, they are cheaper perhaps at lvl 3, but they are far more vulnerable in a raid or monster event. I guess this is a risk vs. reward item as well.

Seems kinda weird to not include them in the footprint from the beginning.

I am sure it will be great, just a little confused. In Alpha 1, i believe the 'houses' were inside the node interior.

I bet they have plans to make Metros bigger, just like they did with Freeholds.

I'm not sure what you're calling the footprint since it would still be a part of the design? This was a single house example from a single racial appearance of a specific biome. There's a chance that was the cheapest and furthest house for that specific town.

Also alpha 1 did have housing "within the walls", but they also said that wasn't the final visual and technical performance they were trying to go with. I don't think you need to get too hung up on the fact that the one example they displayed had a static house graphically "outside the walls". We still don't have solid information on sieges yet as the testing we've been doing has changed dramatically over the years so how that influences individual buildings during a siege in regards to their location isn't set in stone yet either.

Static housing cannot be placed by the player and has pre-designated locations within a certain city. How that graphically appears will differ depending on the biome, node location, terrain, racial influence, level of the node, and I'm sure even more things I'm not remembering/considering.

Ludullu

Also, with this showcase I'm almost certain that "footprint" of the node is defined by what it could be at the metro stage. So, theoretically we could have "in-node houses" that are quite a bit further away from the village's center.

Now, I doubt that there'll be enough houses available at that point to make the system put them that far out, but we'll have to see. But the fact that this house and the caravansary are outside the walls kinda implies to me that the footprint is bigger than what the walls indicate.

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