Metropolis is Besieged destroyed, later it makes it back to Metropolis again, whats different?

Question's in the subject.

Wondering if dev team will have to scramble to make unique node for next development cycles?
is dynamic layout so that same plots will just have different buildings now? Will there be anything the same? Different?

I understand the cosmetic changes of race and that's so awesome, but I'm wondering more about the building layout. I know it'd be harder to implement, but it'd be really cool to see a different metropolis if one spawns in the same node a second time.

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Han

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hanoldbuddy

Im thinking this game is going to have the legs of WOW and then some. I imagine this is something they need to think about, but maybe not now, but I think they already covered it. That node video poster earlier shows they procedural create nodes. If im watching it right,. they can make a new node and have it look entirely different. That's what Im here for. I also wouldnt mind some returning characteristics like another commenter said, for nostalgia purpoouses, and also a memorial would be awesome, Old Verra City sieged and destroyed summer of whatever. All good points. I guess ir less of a worry of mine now, but I could see entire vassal networks getting sieged by a dedicated power leveling guild and them making the land how they see fit. I think metros might come back sooner than most people expect.

Raven016

Spif wrote: »

There's a good chance that a destroyed metro will never make it higher than level 4, with the way vassalship works to limit node leveling. At least 2 other nearby nodes would have to be destroyed first I'd think. Probably more

I was thinking the same but if some faction is strong enough to destroy a metropolis then it can destroy remaining level 5 nodes too and whatever remains from the old metro nation.
If they do that then the same metro could rise again.

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

Spif wrote: »

There's a good chance that a destroyed metro will never make it higher than level 4, with the way vassalship works to limit node leveling. At least 2 other nearby nodes would have to be destroyed first I'd think. Probably more

I was thinking the same but if some faction is strong enough to destroy a metropolis then it can destroy remaining level 5 nodes too and whatever remains from the old metro nation.
If they do that then the same metro could rise again.

this is why intrepid did node sieges the way they are with declarations and set calendar dates such as once a month to give players opportunities to sign up for offense or defence of said node siege and organise for it. They will be quite costly in currency and resources. There wont be any open world mass zerging and just wiping out nodes. Depending on the node level would also determine variables such as scale of battle. 200 vs 200, 250 vs 250 etc.

The way the vassals and node systems works is you wont be allowed to have two nodes of the same level bordering one and another.'

IE two lvl 5's should realistically never be side by side. They would require any other node level between them and even then the rule still applies.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Sieges

Dygz

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

It should look entirely different, in its layout. In one of the earliest videos, they showed a spawn/respawn of a single city, and the streets and city-building plots were all different.

However, to my understanding, the Node Type remains the same. The map itself is balanced a certain way, as to always ensure X number of one type, X type of another type, and that certain types border certain other types. Yours truly would have preferred a different, more-random arrangement, but I get the need for it.

Well, the Metro that takes the place of the previously destroyed Metro might have a different primary Node.
One of the Vassal Nodes from the previous Metro might become the Dominant Node of the new Metro.
So, it's possible for the Node Type of the new Metro to be different than the previous Metro(s) in that region.

Even if it's the same Dominant Node for the new Metro, basic layout will be different.
Also, different Mayors could construct different service buildings.
Different Religions and Social Orgs could have prominence in the new Metro.
Also, Racial influence is not merely cosmetic... so if the new Metro has a different Dominant Race than the previous Metro(s), that will also be a signifcant change.

Raven016

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Spif wrote: »

There's a good chance that a destroyed metro will never make it higher than level 4, with the way vassalship works to limit node leveling. At least 2 other nearby nodes would have to be destroyed first I'd think. Probably more

I was thinking the same but if some faction is strong enough to destroy a metropolis then it can destroy remaining level 5 nodes too and whatever remains from the old metro nation.
If they do that then the same metro could rise again.

this is why intrepid did node sieges the way they are with declarations and set calendar dates such as once a month to give players opportunities to sign up for offense or defence of said node siege and organise for it. They will be quite costly in currency and resources. There wont be any open world mass zerging and just wiping out nodes. Depending on the node level would also determine variables such as scale of battle. 200 vs 200, 250 vs 250 etc.

The way the vassals and node systems works is you wont be allowed to have two nodes of the same level bordering one and another.'

IE two lvl 5's should realistically never be side by side. They would require any other node level between them and even then the rule still applies.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Sieges

Once a month are the castle sieges.
For nodes I see that cool down is mentioned related to leveling and surviving a siege

A node siege may not be declared for 21 days following a node advancing to any stage.[24][25]

If the node survives, there will be a cooldown before the node can be sieged again:

Village (30 days).[4]
Town (40 days).[4]
City (50 days).[4]
Metropolis (60 days).[4]

Can be that as soon as a node is destroyed, another node levels up, triggering a 21 day cooldown.

So I see why is nearly impossible to erase all nodes of a former metro nation.

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Spif wrote: »

There's a good chance that a destroyed metro will never make it higher than level 4, with the way vassalship works to limit node leveling. At least 2 other nearby nodes would have to be destroyed first I'd think. Probably more

I was thinking the same but if some faction is strong enough to destroy a metropolis then it can destroy remaining level 5 nodes too and whatever remains from the old metro nation.
If they do that then the same metro could rise again.

this is why intrepid did node sieges the way they are with declarations and set calendar dates such as once a month to give players opportunities to sign up for offense or defence of said node siege and organise for it. They will be quite costly in currency and resources. There wont be any open world mass zerging and just wiping out nodes. Depending on the node level would also determine variables such as scale of battle. 200 vs 200, 250 vs 250 etc.

The way the vassals and node systems works is you wont be allowed to have two nodes of the same level bordering one and another.'

IE two lvl 5's should realistically never be side by side. They would require any other node level between them and even then the rule still applies.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Sieges

Once a month are the castle sieges.
For nodes I see that cool down is mentioned related to leveling and surviving a siege

A node siege may not be declared for 21 days following a node advancing to any stage.[24][25]

If the node survives, there will be a cooldown before the node can be sieged again:

Village (30 days).[4]
Town (40 days).[4]
City (50 days).[4]
Metropolis (60 days).[4]

Can be that as soon as a node is destroyed, another node levels up, triggering a 21 day cooldown.

So I see why is nearly impossible to erase all nodes of a former metro nation.

Exactly

They put some interesting conditions in place to allow for some relatively fairness for siege prep windows. In addition to what you mentioned:

Once the siege scroll is brought to the node and is activated, the declaration period begins and a countdown is initiated for players in the region to see. This countdown runs for a number of days equal to the stage of the node being sieged.

Village (3 days).[23]
Town (4 days).[23]
City (5 days).[23]
Metropolis (6 days).[23]

In addition to that:
Server prime-time
Objective-based PvP events such as node sieges, castle sieges, guild wars, and node wars will occur within a prime-time window somewhere between 3PM and 9PM server time. This is subject to testing.[42][43][44]

It goes to show you that the dev's and team do read our feed back over the years on the forums to ensure the game is relatively fair and engaging overall. I've had lots of discussions in the past where many of those points came up to prevent cheesing and exploitation regardless of how extreme they may have seemed haha

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