Raid Drops - Support Non DPS Char contribution

I was hearing about the drop on raids being determined by DPS done. Of course healers and supports dont do much DPS, so how are we going to compensate for them during drops?

Is the healing per second, HPS so to speak a contribution, as well as the damage, taken into account when saying DPS plays a role in determining loot?

Also, for Bards in particular who augment the skills of their allies and debuff the enemies. Will the Bard get the contribution of the buffed up skill?

For example, a bard is in the front line with a tank and a rouge. He does a damage buff.
The tank was dealing 100dps, and the rouge 200dps. The bards buff is say 20% extra damage. This bring the damage up to 120dps for the tank and 240 for the rouge. Does the bard get that extra 20 damage the tank is dealing and the extra 40 the rouge is dealing added to his DPS contribution?

Also, for healing, this could work similarly for damage mitigation. Say the tank is taking 100dps before the buff, and 80 after the buff. Would the bard get the 20 he mitigated as DPS contribution to the raid drop?

This might be obvious to some, but that's how I'dd try and balance this at least at a first glance.

Thanks!

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Ludullu

hanoldbuddy wrote: »

What are the options?

As Azherae already posted, wiki has answers.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Looting

Depraved

NiKr wrote: »

hanoldbuddy wrote: »

I think I understand, so the party leader gets all the loot and divides the loot to his team?

Here's an example how it worked for 12 years in L2 where loot rights worked pretty much the same way they will in Ashes.

Healers always get geared first, because the party can't dps if it's dead.
Tank gets geared seconds because healer doesn't survive if tank doesn't remove aggro from him.
Dpsers get geared next because they will now boost farming even further.
Buffers get gear last because their overall impact wasn't tied to their gear.

We'll have to see how Ashes designs and balances their gear, but I'm 90% sure that gearing will go the same way.

Either way, parties will decide this on their own. People clang onto the solo part of this situation because one can only care about how party looting works if they are not a part of a constant group. And in games like Ashes you will only be farming valuable things if you're in such groups. So party looting ultimately doesn't matter.

eh mages (and other dd) would always get their weapon before anyone else would get any gear xD
then tanks would get their armor
supports were usually last

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

eh mages (and other dd) would always get their weapon before anyone else would get any gear xD
then tanks would get their armor
supports were usually last

Guess our guilds/parties had different goals

Weapons, yes, obviously first ones, but usually weapons and other gear would be farmed in different places and sometimes even at different times, so one didn't necessarily prevent the other.

Though considering the difficulty of getting a high lvl SA - gear would usually be first because it's simply easier and faster to get, while the very fact that lower tiered gear was still viable let dpsers fight even with lower gear.

Depraved

hanoldbuddy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Didn’t Trad (or Bucky) state in the event demo that there are a number of analytics they measure during an open event to base a contribution score on? I think they explicitly stated damage done would not be the only factor.

100% agree with the essence of the OP.

Probably, we already know of other factors.

My main point is that if you are alone, you aren't getting anything so the who

Im not worried about soloing, i plan to be part of groups. Im not sure people read my original post. Its just about the DPS within a group. How do the support classes get that number.

If all the DPSers keep getting the best loot because they DPS while the supports dont, its kinda unfair. I get that a proper guild will always share and whatever, but its trying to make it as fair as possible from the get go. It just makes the game better and it seems like there could be a solution other than just, oh your guild sucks.

I didnt know the party vs party loot table dynamics so thanks for mentioning that. Good to know.

if your party does the most damage, then your party can loot. once your party loots, party looting rules apply.
could be that all the items are distributed randomly, per turn, the person who grabs them keeps them, etc.

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