Lazy Peon Video - Things I Hate About MMOs in 2023

Optics2134

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Raven016

Optics2134 wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

well, some people hate pvp, so they stop playing games with open world pvp :P

People don't hate pvp, they hate that they dont win everytime.

Some players PvP for fun. No need to win every time. If the fun is the reward, you could even carry something valuable to give to your opponents, if they win.

Kilion

I said this a lot in the past but I am not getting tired to point this out: I think there is reason to believe that PvP will not be as much of an interrupting factor as most think. Sure there might be those who just want to PvP for the sake of it but with the corruption system in place I think random encounter PvP will not happen all that often. However, in the beginning when castles are not yet taken over by players, I'd expect PvP to be more frequent durring caravan missions and in dungeons. Furthermore PvP will only be meaningful when PvE created "enough" to be redistributed in the objective based PvP.

All things considered I'd say the A2 will make things much clearer on that front.

Nova_terra

Noaani wrote: »

Nova_terra wrote: »

Also I personally have always found daily quests welcome when it's somewhere last or close to last on the checklist of things I would like to do that day and I don't really feel pressure to do them.. For example, at the end of the night when my guild logs off and I have an hour or so to kill I may run some dailies for some extra gold while I have the time. That always seems to be the sweet spot at least in my experience.

The question then becomes - why limit these quests to being daily?

The reason most games limit quests to being daily is because the reward/time investment ratio is high.

If a quest has its rewards so low that it is among the last thing you would spend your time on, there is no need to restrict it to being done daily.

Fair point, I guess I personally wouldn't care if they were limited daily or not. The point I was attempting to make (poorly I see) is that I would expect dailies to have rewards in the form of gold or whatever that would at least be worth your time, but not be something that provides required materials or becomes a "must do". As long as it falls into that wide area of the spectrum than I see them as perfectly fine.

Dygz

Daily is basically slang for repetitive task - at this point.
I might call the tasks on the New World Season Pass cards "dailies" - even though many of the tasks can be repeated multiple times per day, if multiple cards are completed in a day.

I think, typically, the issue is fear of missing out - when you can lose significant progress by missing a day.

APOC indicated that the IS devs know how to do this well.

Nova_terra

Dygz wrote: »

Daily is basically slang for repetitive task - at this point.
I might call the tasks on the New World Season Pass cards "dailies" - even though many of the tasks can be repeated multiple times per day, if multiple cards are completed in a day.

I think, typically, the issue is fear of missing out - when you can lose significant progress by missing a day.

APOC indicated that the IS devs know how to do this well.

I guess the root of it is what is exactly being missed out on.. For me personally if I am "losing" some share of gold/resources by not doing those quests but I am doing OWPvP/Arenas or experiencing the game for what it is and can still get said items other ways. I am not going to lose sleep.

But if it's something like the Gypsum grind in NW or similar systems people are aware of where it is a "requirement" then that is a more problematic thing.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Daily is basically slang for repetitive task - at this point.
I might call the tasks on the New World Season Pass cards "dailies" - even though many of the tasks can be repeated multiple times per day, if multiple cards are completed in a day.

I think, typically, the issue is fear of missing out - when you can lose significant progress by missing a day.

APOC indicated that the IS devs know how to do this well.

Not really, all mmorpgs have some daily kind of task. What people are talking about is your entire meaningful progression is gated on daily content. The best / worst example of this is looking at lost Ark. If you are playing as ingle character you can only progress so far before you can't do any more for the day unless you use multiple character.

It becomes a repetitive circle doing the same things every day which becomes boring, rather than players freely doing what they want to progress how they want.

Optics2134

So dailies, I dont mind a rep grind or progression based on quest done at all. What I loath with a passion is wow style dailies where it is the same 10 or so quest on a rotation that have to be done 500 hundered times in order to get the required xp for that specific "reputation" linked to those specific quest.

Instead maybe link quest types to multiple types of progression. Im assuming religion progression will be a reputation grind with cool shit locked behind set milstones.

I just dont want the milestones to be.... well lame as fuck. I could see / uninstall happening if a major milestone is something stupid like kill 1800 pink flower monsters and the pink flower monster is a 1 in 20 chance to spawn.

Progression is one thing Grinding to the point of mindless killing like in bdo. Is anothor. Its why i quit the game. The same quests to kill the same trash mobs everyday at that power bracket for a month straight to farm enough silver to push to the next bracket. Its the worst progression system I have ever experianced. And I have grinded some wow toons to all types of differrent exhaulted status. So I have done my share of repeatables...

Rep xp that incresses reward value as you push through sometype of relevant story would be ideal. Putting the crazy tear "shinny" shit behind walls that are contributed to by things you would want to do everyday not "chores"

Like say that you complete the main story line for the 'holy" religion to get to member status. The next or last teirs should be tied to all types of acts that fit into what a holy player would do. Healing, rezzing, general content completion. Feeding the pour, donating to towns your not a citzen of ect...

Before people AoC wiki this to death with cant do this cause this. This was intented as a creative thought to help designers build something better then what we have on the market today.

Songcaller

We won't get dailies in Ashes. We had a dev thread about dailies and dailies were kiboshed.

Ehrgeiz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

all mmorpgs have some daily kind of task

Not really

wow vanilla
EvE Online

Mag7spy

Ehrgeiz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

all mmorpgs have some daily kind of task

Not really

wow vanilla
EvE Online

Why are you quoting me right now with a bad post.

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