Activity sheet.

NiKr wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

ofc a activation sheet would mean to be active thats the whole point. Its not something given for free but requires longer or shorter tasks.

So it's either a chore that has to be done otherwise you're falling behind those who do, or it's a meaningless activity with no reward that'll simply be skipped by people and will have no influence on whether they log into the game daily

No does not have to be any game breaking stuff just some cosmetics

Why some people going personal in this forum?

Azherae

frykman_iam wrote: »

Why some people going personal in this forum?

StrifeLords are a whole demographic.

Nova_terra

frykman_iam wrote: »

Why some people going personal in this forum?

Azherae wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

Why some people going personal in this forum?

StrifeLords are a whole demographic.

@frykman_iam You must be new here. There is quite the active demographic of people taking things way to personally.

frykman_iam wrote: »

No does not have to be any game breaking stuff just some cosmetics

But again though, the people who like said cosmetics would find this mechanic a shore they have to do in order to get them (especially if there's stuff like daily login chains) and those who don't care about cosmetics won't even look at this feature.

Daily logins "work" because they give you something valuable, so you feel bad when you don't log in every day. It's a preying feature that's meant to, kinda, punish the player for not playing daily.

And if you don't want to have this punishment in the system and don't want to have any login chains - we're simply back to the "game should have good content", which would include quests that give you cool cosmetics. And those quests could have daily resets in them, so that people who're interested in the quest and the cosmetic would have to return to the game at a later point, but they won't be made to do so daily.

So, once again, there's no reason to have daily/login rewards.

Enigmatic Sage

frykman_iam wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

ofc a activation sheet would mean to be active thats the whole point. Its not something given for free but requires longer or shorter tasks.

So it's either a chore that has to be done otherwise you're falling behind those who do, or it's a meaningless activity with no reward that'll simply be skipped by people and will have no influence on whether they log into the game daily

No does not have to be any game breaking stuff just some cosmetics

So essentially a list of activities to accomplish over a specific period of time for cosmetic rewards?
achievements with cosmetic rewards?
or
something more along the lines of a free battle pass for cosmetics?

all similar, yet different ironically lol

GrappLr

Dygz wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Counterpoint: MMOs aren’t designed for game sessions of less than 30 min, that’s what Tetris is for. Clearly there are things you can do in shorter sessions, but if it means the Black Spirit inundating me with announcements, coupons, 17 retention bonuses, and little prizes when I enter Verra, I have no interest in Ashes adapting to that length of attention span.

You mean MMORPGs originally weren't designed for game sessions of less than 30 minutes.
A lot has changed since then. Like the phenomenon of Endgame.
Also, as MMORPG players age past 25, many only have time for game sessions that are less than 30 minutes (and you can expect game devs over the age of 30 to empathize).
You can expect something similar to the APOC battle pass in Ashes.
Seems unlikely that IS will be pushing retention extremes, but... we'll see.

So you're advocating for AoC to literally go along with the current MMO philosophy of "cater to everyone". There's a reason so many current MMOs suck. It's because they try to cater to people with 15 minutes a day, to increase potential player pool. It's why so many gamers are dying for an "old school" MMO. They're dying for a game that caters to their "niche", and one of the components of said niche is long gaming sessions.

Nova_terra wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

Why some people going personal in this forum?

Azherae wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

Why some people going personal in this forum?

StrifeLords are a whole demographic.

@frykman_iam You must be new here. There is quite the active demographic of people taking things way to personally.

So there is no code of conduct you had to sign or terms of service or so?

NiKr wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

No does not have to be any game breaking stuff just some cosmetics

But again though, the people who like said cosmetics would find this mechanic a shore they have to do in order to get them (especially if there's stuff like daily login chains) and those who don't care about cosmetics won't even look at this feature.

Daily logins "work" because they give you something valuable, so you feel bad when you don't log in every day. It's a preying feature that's meant to, kinda, punish the player for not playing daily.

And if you don't want to have this punishment in the system and don't want to have any login chains - we're simply back to the "game should have good content", which would include quests that give you cool cosmetics. And those quests could have daily resets in them, so that people who're interested in the quest and the cosmetic would have to return to the game at a later point, but they won't be made to do so daily.

So, once again, there's no reason to have daily/login rewards.

You underestimate will to have cosmetics, and cosmetics in itself is good to have to have some fashion other than mix of different gear looks

Its not daily login rewards guys, can be things like taking part of siege. Crafting or gathering set amount of items. Just a activity sheet not login sheet. So many ways this can be done it does not have to be the way you think. Like points you get for each activity and adding up enough points you get one step in the activity sheet. Gives people an idea what to strive for in game and same works as a incentive to actually keep playing the game

CROW3

frykman_iam wrote: »

Just a activity sheet not login sheet. So many ways this can be done it does not have to be the way you think.

I agree. Let me help.

1. find a piece of paper near you
2. Find a pen
3. Write down some activities you would like to do
4. Do the things you wrote down

That’s not a feature, it’s just simple initiative. Increased self-sufficiency with zero development cost for Intrepid. 🤗

frykman_iam wrote: »

Its not daily login rewards guys, can be things like taking part of siege. Crafting or gathering set amount of items. Just a activity sheet not login sheet. So many ways this can be done it does not have to be the way you think. Like points you get for each activity and adding up enough points you get one step in the activity sheet. Gives people an idea what to strive for in game and same works as a incentive to actually keep playing the game

But if that underlying content is boring then it's a chore for a cosmetic. And if it's not boring - then you'd be playing the game for what it is.

I'd prefer meaningful cosmetics that are directly tied to certain actions, rather than a smorgasbord of random stuff that then rewards you a random cosmetic.

Depraved wrote: »

but then they cant log in and do whatever they want. they have to do the dailies...doing other things they want to do is also rewarding.

You never have to do dailies. Especially when the design does not include fomo resets for skipping days.
Dailies can include things people want to do. As well as stuff some people don't like to do. And plenty of stuff in the middle.

NiKr wrote: »

So it's either a chore that has to be done otherwise you're falling behind those who do, or it's a meaningless activity with no reward that'll simply be skipped by people and will have no influence on whether they log into the game daily

Or somewhere in-between.
Grind = chore by the way. And you say you like to grind - if I recall correctly.
Dailies, when designed well, have nothing to do with falling behind other people.
It's fine for people to skip dailies if they wish. Just as it's fine for people to skip dungeons and raids if they want to.

Dailies tend to be Casual Time and Casual Challenge content, so... could very well be something that Hardcore Challenge gamers choose to skip.

NiKr wrote: »

But again though, the people who like said cosmetics would find this mechanic a chore they have to do in order to get them (especially if there's stuff like daily login chains) and those who don't care about cosmetics won't even look at this feature.

Only feels like you have to dailies when they are designed with resets if you miss a day.
Especially when the tasks are quick and relatively easy to complete.

NiKr wrote: »

Daily logins "work" because they give you something valuable, so you feel bad when you don't log in every day. It's a preying feature that's meant to, kinda, punish the player for not playing daily.

Dailies work because they are tasks you can do within a 20-30 minute game session and they are fairly easy to accomplish within that time frame. Rewards don't have to be "valuable". Something is better than nothing.
Dailes with fomo resets are designed to punish people for skipping a day, but... that design is rare in Western MMORPGs these days.
Current Western MMORPGs reward for quick and easy tasks and do not punish for skipping days.

If you only have 10-30 minutes to play - you can do a few dailies.
If you have more than a couple hours to play, you can still do some dailies and then focus on the content that takes longer than 10 minutes.

NiKr wrote: »

And if you don't want to have this punishment in the system and don't want to have any login chains - we're simply back to the "game should have good content", which would include quests that give you cool cosmetics. And those quests could have daily resets in them, so that people who're interested in the quest and the cosmetic would have to return to the game at a later point, but they won't be made to do so daily.

No reason why good content cannot be included in dailies.

NiKr wrote: »

So, once again, there's no reason to have daily/login rewards.

Best reason is because they can be more fun for Casual Challenge players than dungeons and raids.
Especially when designed without fomo resets for skipping days.

Dygz wrote: »

Dailies, when designed well, have nothing to do with falling behind other people.

What is their purpose then? Just have a random "go talk to this dude" or "kill these mobs" quest every day w/ 0 reward?

Obviously it's fine to play however you like, but I feel like the game could just have good quests and reward related to them w/o any to-do lists or daily-like activities.

Dygz wrote: »

No reason why good content cannot be included in dailies.

Best reason is because they can be more fun for Casual Challenge players than dungeons and raids.
Especially when designed without fomo resets for skipping days.

"Dailies" as a term have a bad connotation, so why have that in the game when you can simply have "quests" and that's it.

We'll also have "tasks", which can be done quickly and will have some kind of impact on the node and the player.

Azherae

CROW3 wrote: »

frykman_iam wrote: »

Just a activity sheet not login sheet. So many ways this can be done it does not have to be the way you think.

I agree. Let me help.

1. find a piece of paper near you
2. Find a pen
3. Write down some activities you would like to do
4. Do the things you wrote down

That’s not a feature, it’s just simple initiative. Increased self-sufficiency with zero development cost for Intrepid. 🤗

I'll disagree with this entirely. This works for a specific type of player, and not at all for a different type of player.

In a situation where Intrepid wants people to do more content and learn about different types of content, they basically have the two options of 'give players a lot of information about how this content benefits them or might be fun', and 'build an entire interconnected system where the player will organically come into contact with the results of partaking in this content through other means'.

The second is so much harder to do, particularly in non-themepark games, that I think even some of the best MMO devs in the business essentially just gave up trying.

The only way this is 'zero development cost for Intrepid' is if they don't care about the six dozen Reddit threads/YouTube videos complaining about not being able to understand/find anything fun to do in the game organically.

They have to put in effort either way if they care. OP's suggestion is almost assuredly the cheaper one.

Yeah, I mean... I did this a lot in APOC and I'm also doing so a bit in New World right now.
Two tasks I like to do when they pop up are:
Kill 10 Enemies Using a Bow or Gun.
Kill 10 Enemies Using a One-Handed Weapon.

My Main uses Two-Handed Weapons. I would not use a Bow, but I can grab a Bow for 5-10 minutes.
And then spend hours wielding my Spear.

Since the current Season added a One-Handed Flail, I have my new alt Leveling with a Flail.
(A friend suggested I try the updated storyline from scratch so I have that character exploring new weapons as well as new storylines.)
Gameplay on my alt is credited on the Account-wide Battlepass, so... if I want to do the One-Handed Weapon daily, I can use my alt for that... and that also will help build xp for my Flail's Weapon Progression.
There's also Season Achievements for taking my Flail to Level 9; Level 12 and Level 19.
So, I do spend some hours grinding Weapon Progression for my Flail - I don't know that I would necessarily try to max my Weapon Progression if there weren't Achievements for it.

I get some extra rewards for doing all of that.
And I don't lose anything if I skip some days.