Imposed PvP and ganking

Hi dear community,

I have the question about known so far game mechanics related to PvP.

People are different, and making their fun on different stuff. Killing another players is some kind of fun for them. What can stop an organised group of top PvP players from ganking everything around and thus ruining game experience for everybody around? They are good in PvP, they are seasoned and organised - so no single/casual player or ad-hoc groups can do anything to them. For sure GMs won't babysitting casual players, so there must be some kind of game mechanic which stop group asocial behaviour.

Needless to say that casual players are the base for every MMO game - they are many, they pay subscription to devs and they make the game live.

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Enigmatic Sage

NiKr wrote: »

Forum discussions... forum discussions never change.

read that with a David Hayter voice over in my head lol

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

Its the same people trying to inflame the situation. I personally don't like the corruption system at all but I accept it, yet, the opposite side want to smother with the corruption system and claim I have no right to pvp when I want and where I want in an owpvp game.

It's just funny to me that every few weeks (if not days) the same people talk to the same people in the same way, using the same words.

I'm just waiting for someone to go and kill us all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay_RAkE7bUY

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Its the same people trying to inflame the situation. I personally don't like the corruption system at all but I accept it, yet, the opposite side want to smother with the corruption system and claim I have no right to pvp when I want and where I want in an owpvp game.

It's just funny to me that every few weeks (if not days) the same people talk to the same people in the same way, using the same words.

I'm just waiting for someone to go and kill us all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay_RAkE7bUY

The problem I have is the experience in L2. The griefers rule the servers. The griefers lock down the open dungeons. If its not the griefers, its the RMTers who are even more dirty. The punishments are lacklustre and the ability to train mobs in dungeons still exists. On top of that there's no corruption gauge which would turn a player corrupt just for peppering a player and not killing the player. Therefore, the system is really bad for what Dygz expects and I feel Dygz did not play L2. To state the corruption system stops forced PvP is a gross misjudgement. Its the PvP Guilds who have to mop up the issues inside these locations - the nodes mean we will be forced to, whilst the pve players wait for us to retake these areas without any care in the world. Either that, or the pve players rage quit and never return.

Solvryn

NiKr wrote: »

Were I not too lazy I would've started a counter on how many times we're discussion the same damn topics over and over and over and over and over again. Forum discussions... forum discussions never change.

Forums offer very little little in value at this point.

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Were I not too lazy I would've started a counter on how many times we're discussion the same damn topics over and over and over and over and over again. Forum discussions... forum discussions never change.

It's like grinding...

Ludullu

Raven016 wrote: »

It's like grinding...

The very reason why I'm here every day

Enigmatic Sage

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

It's like grinding...

The very reason why I'm here every day

got to get those forum accolades

Ludullu

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

got to get those forum accolades

Gots to grind them achievements

Enigmatic Sage

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

got to get those forum accolades

Gots to grind them achievements

lol the real addiction and modus

Ace1234

@Azherae

Oh man, an Impel Down equivalent would fit Ashes so incredibly well.

Deeper floor PvP zones, you get there by making certain choices like 'trying to escape to the Open Seas when red', no real rewards, 'equalized' gear...

If there was ever gonna be a way to 'section off the PvPonlykthx focused players', that would be it.

That sounds awesome, would make for an interesting thread topic

Dygz

Neurath wrote: »

If the devs didn't want forced pvp the devs would've added a pvp toggle. Not corruption. Forced pvp is a viable tactic to stop other players from griefing. Corruption is there to stop pvp players from griefing. PvP players fighting for an area of farming or resource area is perfectly valid.

Who said the devs did not want forced PVP?
In Ashes, forced PvP is punished by Corruption. If the devs wanted to prevent forced PvP - they probably would have implemented a toggle.
Corruption is not designed to prevent forced PvP. Rather, Corruption is designed to deter forced PvP via significant penalties. Except on the Open Seas. Corruption does not prevent PvP players from griefing.
Prevent is not the exact same thing as deter.

Hinotori

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

got to get those forum accolades

Gots to grind them achievements

I hate how true this is

Enigmatic Sage

Ace1234 wrote: »

@Azherae

Oh man, an Impel Down equivalent would fit Ashes so incredibly well.

Deeper floor PvP zones, you get there by making certain choices like 'trying to escape to the Open Seas when red', no real rewards, 'equalized' gear...

If there was ever gonna be a way to 'section off the PvPonlykthx focused players', that would be it.

That sounds awesome, would make for an interesting thread topic

Definitely. impel downs design is awesome and would be a great POI for the sea biome not only for PvP but for PvE as well

Ruerik

The way I see it, a new pvp thread comes up every week.

That means theres lots of people doing forum pvp, so hypothetically, we can pvp just as much in the game when it ever comes out. Silver lining and all that.

Songcaller

Dygz wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

If the devs didn't want forced pvp the devs would've added a pvp toggle. Not corruption. Forced pvp is a viable tactic to stop other players from griefing. Corruption is there to stop pvp players from griefing. PvP players fighting for an area of farming or resource area is perfectly valid.

Who said the devs did not want forced PVP?
In Ashes, forced PvP is punished by Corruption. If the devs wanted to prevent forced PvP - they probably would have implemented a toggle.
Corruption is not designed to prevent forced PvP. Rather, Corruption is designed to deter forced PvP via significant penalties. Except on the Open Seas. Corruption does not prevent PvP players from griefing.
Prevent is not the exact same thing as deter.

Define forced pvp.

Sathrago

I just gotta ask these anti-pvp people something.

Why do you feel like you are forced to pvp? You bought the game, agreed to the ToS, and started playing. Its not like you get the game and dont understand what the worlds going to have in it when its this open with it's features. When you start to play one of these games, you gave consent to pvp because thats how the game works. Regardless of how terrible a death you get, you are signing up for this when you buy the game.

And here in ashes you even have the luxury of being completely immune to cc when you are not fighting back, the greatest non-pvp friendly mechanic of any game with a similar flagging system.

Solvryn

Neurath wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

If the devs didn't want forced pvp the devs would've added a pvp toggle. Not corruption. Forced pvp is a viable tactic to stop other players from griefing. Corruption is there to stop pvp players from griefing. PvP players fighting for an area of farming or resource area is perfectly valid.

Who said the devs did not want forced PVP?
In Ashes, forced PvP is punished by Corruption. If the devs wanted to prevent forced PvP - they probably would have implemented a toggle.
Corruption is not designed to prevent forced PvP. Rather, Corruption is designed to deter forced PvP via significant penalties. Except on the Open Seas. Corruption does not prevent PvP players from griefing.
Prevent is not the exact same thing as deter.

Define forced pvp.

(Shit people made up)

Solvryn

The monologue for inconveniences is “forced”.

Songcaller

Forced PvP doesn't exist on a PvP server. You sign up for the PvP when you make a toon.

Solvryn

Neurath wrote: »

Forced PvP doesn't exist on a PvP server. You sign up for the PvP when you make a toon.

We know that, they’re just inconvenienced the moment their special selves are interrupted.

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