I dont get the glint-system

Hi guys,

to be honest, I don't get the glint system.

So we have glint (why? For what? Benefits?) , with that we can buy commodities (which is basically some undifinied random recourse) and these commodities we transport with caravans to any other node to sell it to npcs?

I thought the purpose of caravans is to transport gatherables and crafting materials that actual players and other nodes need. Am I right that these commodities are just something you always get money for without any need of real players?

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Liniker

they could have done a better job at explaining, I only got it the second time I watched the livestream tbh a lot of insight came from post-video Q&A and Steven on the discord

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

Wiki says Glint is tied to Economic Areas but Economic Areas are most of the map.

That's there to give context to the changes to the system.

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Wiki says Glint is tied to Economic Areas but Economic Areas are most of the map.

That's there to give context to the changes to the system.

Yeah. Yet, universal is only universal to the economic areas.

daveywavey

CROW3 wrote: »

But there’s a variable exchange rate for glint to gold. So, essentially we have an abstract currency with a gold standard.

That's a good way of looking at it. I hadn't thought of it quite like that.

Sathrago

I believe glint will replace what we normally would call "trash" loot from mobs with a built in system that encourages travel via caravanning commodities for a higher value, and pvp because these are dropped on death both in the normal flagging system and pvp events such as caravans. And if you noticed, Glint is also stored in the material inventory slots, so this also impacts what people choose to farm when out gathering.

Raven016

We need glint clone and glint stash features. Else I cannot commit.

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

We need glint clone and glint stash features. Else I cannot commit.

like a glint currency bar or separate inventory tab solely for glint?

I had a feeling people would not want it as a physical inventory item over a currency. Just one of those predictable QoL things.

Ludullu

Yeah, glint being a currency was my first thought, but no, it's a buncha mats instead, so inventories will get overpacked and mats won't be exchanging into each other like currency so we'll have to grind glint to have precise numbers of it.

In other words, right now this system just seems like a huge pain in the ass.

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Yeah, glint being a currency was my first thought, but no, it's a buncha mats instead, so inventories will get overpacked and mats won't be exchanging into each other like currency so we'll have to grind glint to have precise numbers of it.

In other words, right now this system just seems like a huge pain in the ass.

Will be small intakes unless the guild is together with a few caravans. Cargo boxes would be required.

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

Will be small intakes unless the guild is together with a few caravans. Cargo boxes would be required.

This could potentially work towards the node loyalty design, but we don't know the mob distribution, so it's hard to say if those who go out to farm will have to go back to their og node and deposit their daily glint just so that they always have it for fees and taxes.

Just yet another potential fault in the system.

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Will be small intakes unless the guild is together with a few caravans. Cargo boxes would be required.

This could potentially work towards the node loyalty design, but we don't know the mob distribution, so it's hard to say if those who go out to farm will have to go back to their og node and deposit their daily glint just so that they always have it for fees and taxes.

Just yet another potential fault in the system.

I don't see how to avoid it. Can't defend a caravan alone. Can't farm en mass alone. Can't trust randoms either. The problem is the caravan will broadcast its presence and the pvp will be corruption free. Its like a sick joke by the devs because caravan pvp still has gear degradation and a stationary caravan means people can amass a big force out of sight and sweep the caravan away.

Nerror

Yeah glint will take up bag space, but only up to 6 slots, since there are only 6 types of glint (from dull to radiant). Compared to vendor loot from other games, like deer antlers and pig hooves and boar tusks and broken orc shields and swords and so forth, I am honestly ok with this. Most of the time we'll only be running around with 3 or 4 types of glint at most at any given time.

Considering they are supposed to drop on death, like mats, and might possibly be crafting materials as it is, I actually see glint as a system that reduces inventory clutter, because it seems like the only drops we get from mobs are either glint, other materials and the occasional finished item from certain mobs. I have zero issues with that.

Ludullu

Nerror wrote: »

Considering they are supposed to drop on death, like mats, and might possibly be crafting materials as it is, I actually see glint as a system that reduces inventory clutter, because it seems like the only drops we get from mobs are either glint, other materials and the occasional finished item from certain mobs. I have zero issues with that.

It's only less if you're farming a ton of different mobs each farming session. But if you're grinding a single spot (for a mat or an item) you'll get filled up with glints more than you would've been with certs. And if mats have the same "tetris" design and somewhat limited stacking, then glints might mess up your inventory.

We also can't carry a ton of glint, which implies limited stacking, so glint will fill up your inventory even more!

Songcaller

Also, glint isn't used for crafting according to wiki.

Enigmatic Sage

@NiKr I'm fine with it being a physical item. I'm used to inventory management from various games over the years. It's just part of the gameplay friction in my opinion. Either way, players and mobs still have a chance to have it drop regardless upon death etc.

Percimes

OK, so at this point we know about a few types of currencies, and some of their uses.

1) Glints. Drop from mobs, bound to the character. Can be used to pay for some node/citizen services or to buy commodities.
2) Gold. The traditional currency. Obtained through the sell of commodities (possibly part of quest rewards too). The universal currency for player to player transactions and to pay NPCs.
3) Node currency. Obtained through service to the node. Used to buy from some merchants.
4) Other type of bound currencies (<-- Wiki link), depending of node type, social organizations, etc.

Am I missing any?

Taleof2Cities

NiKr wrote: »

We also can't carry a ton of glint, which implies limited stacking, so glint will fill up your inventory even more!

This will be interesting to test in Alpha 2.

I’m sure it will be a pain for character inventory … so there’s incentive to run the caravans.

Enigmatic Sage

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

We also can't carry a ton of glint, which implies limited stacking, so glint will fill up your inventory even more!

This will be interesting to test in Alpha 2.

I’m sure it will be a pain for character inventory … so there’s incentive to run the caravans.

or incentive to trade it for gold from npc

Ludullu

Percimes wrote: »

1) Glints. Drop from mobs, bound to the character. Can be used to pay for some node/citizen services or to buy commodities.
2) Gold. The traditional currency. Obtained through the sell of commodities (possibly part of quest rewards too). The universal currency for player to player transactions and to pay NPCs.

Am I missing any?

Glint can be sold directly for gold, so there's that.

Sathrago

I'll be honest I dont get what some of you expected. We knew monster certificates would also drop from mobs. We knew these would drop on death just like materials so they would need to also take up inventory space.

Glint can be seen as the alternative resource for people to farm if they dont want to engage with the gathering/crafting systems. Instead of going out and picking up whatever you find, you stack up large amounts of glint for raw gold value.

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