I dont get the glint-system

Hi guys,

to be honest, I don't get the glint system.

So we have glint (why? For what? Benefits?) , with that we can buy commodities (which is basically some undifinied random recourse) and these commodities we transport with caravans to any other node to sell it to npcs?

I thought the purpose of caravans is to transport gatherables and crafting materials that actual players and other nodes need. Am I right that these commodities are just something you always get money for without any need of real players?

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Ludullu

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It is worth noting too that in this months demonstration you can see resources that are flagged as corrupted/stolen aside from glint.

I pointed it out before

Though I also stole that observation from narc

Enigmatic Sage

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

It is worth noting too that in this months demonstration you can see resources that are flagged as corrupted/stolen aside from glint.

I pointed it out before Though I also stole that observation from narc

I must've missed it with the focus on glint haha

Just watched his video a few minutes ago

EDIT:

unless you're referring to the white apple part? then my morning brain clearly forgot lol

Ludullu

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

unless you're referring to the white apple part? then my morning brain clearly forgot lol

Yeah, I didn't go through the entire start of the og video, so didn't catch the corrupted barley and just went with the apple.

Enigmatic Sage

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

unless you're referring to the white apple part? then my morning brain clearly forgot lol

Yeah, I didn't go through the entire start of the og video, so didn't catch the corrupted barley and just went with the apple.

that's fair lol

Sathrago

Raven016 wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

I'm getting the impression gold will be more abundant than people think which implies higher economic inflation and taxes. This makes me curious how expensive nodes sieges may as actually be and how frequent they may actually occur.

There's gonna be a SHITTON of gold. Unreasonable amounts. The game literally has a multiplier for your income built into it. I expect guilds to have millions within the first few months, if not quicker.

And yeah, depending on what exactly we loot after a siege, siege scrolls might be reaaaal expensive.

Could be that gold will be useless and only the other currencies will be important.
The statement: "you don't drop gold when you die" is just bait.

I think the best way to rationalize gold is that its this "banked" value that you can invest in risky endeavors for more. Its a go-between for these other currency systems. I believe there will be enough sinks for gold to not be this over-abundant, inflated thing but we gotta see it in action to be sure.

Raven016

If this "corrupted" flag will prove to be useful, it could be applied also to the resources taken by a corrupted player when he kills a green.
The only way resources should stay "clean" is when the owner takes them back himself from the caravan wreckage / ashes.

A caravan/player can be destroyed/killed by NPCs too.
So anyone taking something which belongs to somebody else, should get corrupted glint and resources.

Enigmatic Sage

@Raven016 I'm assuming anything looted(stolen) from a player or caravan upon death or destruction will be flagged as corrupted unless you're the owner of it as the wiki implies the cargo is sealed with crafters mark.

Should be interesting how the flagging plays a role in this if much at all.

Raven016

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Raven016 I'm assuming anything looted(stolen) from a player or caravan upon death or destruction will be flagged as corrupted unless you're the owner of it as the wiki implies the cargo is sealed with crafters mark.

Should be interesting how the flagging plays a role in this if much at all.

I think the flagging should stay as it is. Was discussed 7 years on forum and I think it passed as robust enough.
The problem with the caravan wreckage is that you may want to ask a friend to help you save some crates, assuming that the attackers actually died and had no time to return. Then the friend or guild mate will get corrupted resources.
If the resources become "clean" if returned to the owner, then the same system can be applied to things looted from ashes too.

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Raven016 I'm assuming anything looted(stolen) from a player or caravan upon death or destruction will be flagged as corrupted unless you're the owner of it as the wiki implies the cargo is sealed with crafters mark.

Should be interesting how the flagging plays a role in this if much at all.

I think the flagging should stay as it is. Was discussed 7 years on forum and I think it passed as robust enough.
The problem with the caravan wreckage is that you may want to ask a friend to help you save some crates, assuming that the attackers actually died and had no time to return. Then the friend or guild mate will get corrupted resources.
If the resources become "clean" if returned to the owner, then the same system can be applied to things looted from ashes too.

That's the point of crafters "seal". if you're not the crafter(caravan owner) it's not your cargo or property essentially. If defenders are stealing your cargo then they're not defenders lol

Raven016

They could give it back to you...

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

They could give it back to you...

They could.. or they could not lol. The black market essentially scrubs that seal/binding clean. Just a moral dilemma I suppose.

In terms of caravan runs, returning it to the owner of the caravan could essentially make it not corrupted anymore because of the seal/binding as was discussed.

In terms of flagging, killing a non-combatant and taking their loot would essentially make it corrupted automatically I would assume. Anything you as the player does will not originally flag as corrupted unless you loot it off another player. This could directly be the same thing for combatant because essentially it's not your loot and there is no seal protecting its claim.

Looting a corrupted player? would that still make it a corrupted item or not because they are themselves corrupted.

Could just come down to purifying corrupted items through gold or glint which can also be redeemed for gold. Essentially same thing.

I'm just theory crafting the system

Nerror

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Looting a corrupted player? would that still make it a corrupted item or not because they are themselves corrupted.

Interesting point. They've said that corrupted players are essentially treated as monsters, so even though they might have gotten the items legally, if they are a monster at time of death... yeah it kinda makes sense to be able to loot non-stolen glint and materials off them from that perspective.

From a game mechanics perspective it would be a bad idea though, since that is essentially a way to transfer clean glint, circumventing the system.

Enigmatic Sage

Nerror wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Looting a corrupted player? would that still make it a corrupted item or not because they are themselves corrupted.

Interesting point. They've said that corrupted players are essentially treated as monsters, so even though they might have gotten the items legally, if they are a monster at time of death... yeah it kinda makes sense to be able to loot non-stolen glint and materials off them from that perspective.

From a game mechanics perspective it would be a bad idea though, since that is essentially a way to transfer clean glint, circumventing the system.

That is true. good point! Corruption laundering lol

Raven016

Nerror wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Looting a corrupted player? would that still make it a corrupted item or not because they are themselves corrupted.

Interesting point. They've said that corrupted players are essentially treated as monsters, so even though they might have gotten the items legally, if they are a monster at time of death... yeah it kinda makes sense to be able to loot non-stolen glint and materials off them from that perspective.

From a game mechanics perspective it would be a bad idea though, since that is essentially a way to transfer clean glint, circumventing the system.

The corruption of the loot, I think happens because it gets tainted with the "greed" emotion of the humans handling it. So looting from a corrupt player to keep it for yourself should make the loot even more corrupt.
A bounty hunter maybe could deal with the loot better... because he is doing it for the bounty not the loot.

Percimes

Raven016 wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Looting a corrupted player? would that still make it a corrupted item or not because they are themselves corrupted.

Interesting point. They've said that corrupted players are essentially treated as monsters, so even though they might have gotten the items legally, if they are a monster at time of death... yeah it kinda makes sense to be able to loot non-stolen glint and materials off them from that perspective.

From a game mechanics perspective it would be a bad idea though, since that is essentially a way to transfer clean glint, circumventing the system.

The corruption of the loot, I think happens because it gets tainted with the "greed" emotion of the humans handling it. So looting from a corrupt player to keep it for yourself should make the loot even more corrupt.
A bounty hunter maybe could deal with the loot better... because he is doing it for the bounty not the loot.

The brigands were keeping themselves low by the side of the road. They've been hearing the rumblings of the axles and wheels of the slow moving caravan well before it came into their view. They began to leer and fidget their weapons as the wagon lumbered toward their ambush. "What kind of resources you think we'll find in this one, boss?" whispered one of the more impatient ruffians. The leader, not wanting to break is own rule for silence, just passed an inquisitive look at his main scout, hiding a little higher but whose sharp ears had pricked up at the inquiry. The ranger began to sniff at the light breeze blowing in their direction bringing with it the smells of the animals pulling the caravan, and another very distinct one.

"It reek of glint" hissed the ranger. "Commodities at best, if we're lucky"

With a sigh, the grizzle thief signal the crew to stay low and let this one pass. Too much trouble getting the corruption out of the powder, and he had promised an easy job to his men.

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

I'm getting the impression gold will be more abundant than people think which implies higher economic inflation and taxes. This makes me curious how expensive nodes sieges may as actually be and how frequent they may actually occur.

There's gonna be a SHITTON of gold. Unreasonable amounts. The game literally has a multiplier for your income built into it. I expect guilds to have millions within the first few months, if not quicker.

And yeah, depending on what exactly we loot after a siege, siege scrolls might be reaaaal expensive.

@NiKr the profit will sink if we do these caravans many times between the same nodes. It's like the NPC trader have enough of those commodities from that particular node.
So we do this to pay taxes and if we get tired or we need more profit, we help sieging the node we used to purchase from. Could be one of those 20 nodes outside the metropolis nations or it can be the reason to start a war between metro nations.
@Tyranthraxus you was asking for a reason to siege metropolises.

Depraved

Veeshan wrote: »

Glint = Gold income from mobs, mobs dont drop gold or thing to sell they drop glint instead, this is cause glint is a material so it gets dropped on death unlike gold which doesnt, you can then either convert this into gold or items to get more gold if u do another step which is the caravan run think of it as gambling to a degree double your money or loose it all :P

caravans will still be used to transport materials aswell wood to the dessert for example

long story short glint is basicly equivalent to mob dropping gold which can then be used on several other things or covnerted into gold at town

glint is bound. i doubt it can be dropped on death

Sathrago

Depraved wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Glint = Gold income from mobs, mobs dont drop gold or thing to sell they drop glint instead, this is cause glint is a material so it gets dropped on death unlike gold which doesnt, you can then either convert this into gold or items to get more gold if u do another step which is the caravan run think of it as gambling to a degree double your money or loose it all :P

caravans will still be used to transport materials aswell wood to the dessert for example

long story short glint is basicly equivalent to mob dropping gold which can then be used on several other things or covnerted into gold at town

glint is bound. i doubt it can be dropped on death

Yes it can and will be dropping on death. Glint is the official name for monster certificates.

from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Glint

Depraved

Sathrago wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Glint = Gold income from mobs, mobs dont drop gold or thing to sell they drop glint instead, this is cause glint is a material so it gets dropped on death unlike gold which doesnt, you can then either convert this into gold or items to get more gold if u do another step which is the caravan run think of it as gambling to a degree double your money or loose it all :P

caravans will still be used to transport materials aswell wood to the dessert for example

long story short glint is basicly equivalent to mob dropping gold which can then be used on several other things or covnerted into gold at town

glint is bound. i doubt it can be dropped on death

Yes it can and will be dropping on death. Glint is the official name for monster certificates.

from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Glint

no, its not.
stolen glint isnt the same as glint. they cant even be used on the same buildings. stolen glint can be redeemed for lesser value than glint at the black market. there is no indication that you can use it to "pay" for all the other things that you can buy with glint. it seems that you will just get some gold (less than if you sold glint directly)

Enigmatic Sage

Depraved wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Glint = Gold income from mobs, mobs dont drop gold or thing to sell they drop glint instead, this is cause glint is a material so it gets dropped on death unlike gold which doesnt, you can then either convert this into gold or items to get more gold if u do another step which is the caravan run think of it as gambling to a degree double your money or loose it all :P

caravans will still be used to transport materials aswell wood to the dessert for example

long story short glint is basicly equivalent to mob dropping gold which can then be used on several other things or covnerted into gold at town

glint is bound. i doubt it can be dropped on death

Yes it can and will be dropping on death. Glint is the official name for monster certificates.

from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Glint

no, its not.
stolen glint isnt the same as glint. they cant even be used on the same buildings. stolen glint can be redeemed for lesser value than glint at the black market. there is no indication that you can use it to "pay" for all the other things that you can buy with glint. it seems that you will just get some gold (less than if you sold glint directly)

They are essentially the same certificate. The corrupted version of glint (stolen) is not bound and needs to be redeemed through the black market for less than non-corrupt version.

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