Will their be HUGE swords in AOC

When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk

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tautau

I could not find the reference in the wiki, but I think I recall that there will not be vastly oversized weapons.

unknownsystemerror

It was resolved. He went on Discord and Steven had one of his rare appearances. He gave a new quote to the effect "I like big swords, but with our take on fantasy realism, you will not be seeing grossly oversized weapons." <paraphrasing>

Behague

"Size matters not" - Yoda and likely every Dünzenkell to return to Verra shortly

Enigmatic Sage

Behague wrote: »

"Size matters not" - Yoda and likely every Dünzenkell to return to Verra shortly

it's true.. the dual dagger have essentially the same range due to the extended force. Video should be time stamped already.

Personally not a fan of it.

https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=228

Kilion

There is actually a quote on the Wiki about this that I came across in the past:

Source: Ashes of Creation Wiki on Dyes

I personally am quite satisfied with that decision, I don't like JRPG aesthetics so having neither "cute cat girls" nor ridiculously large weapons seems like good news to me ^^

Enigmatic Sage

@Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing

Kilion

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing

Were they undersized? If they were Intrepid could either add more or increase the size. And now I am unsure: Did I say in the past that the mounts weren't undersized? XD

Enigmatic Sage

Kilion wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing

Were they undersized? If they were Intrepid could either add more or increase the size. And now I am unsure: Did I say in the past that the mounts weren't undersized? XD

The ones in the caravan demo recently definitely looked like some ponies pulling a tractor trailer lol. But that's another thread

Was just being cheeky about the hills some people die on when it comes to high fantasy and realism related to the game design

Enigmatic Sage

@Kilion
Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

JC31

I am not going to judge until I have the alpha 2. The design updates they give us every month are more about perception. Combat being the single most important part of the game to me. If combat isn't right nothing else matters, will make or break the game.

Kilion

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion
Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?

Raven016

Kilion wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion
Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?

He means the essence

You do not go with a dagger onto a battlefield. Dagger is useful as a weapon easy to conceal.
But we are used also to endless number of throwing daggers and arrows. Or arrows changing direction to hit the target...

Enigmatic Sage

Kilion wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion
Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?

I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

time stamp 3:50 onwards.

https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

Raven016 wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Kilion
Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?

He means the essence
You do not go with a dagger onto a battlefield. Dagger is useful as a weapon easy to conceal.
But we are used also to endless number of throwing daggers and arrows. Or arrows changing direction to hit the target...

no I meant the energy visually and physically making up the length of the attack lol

Kilion

I'd be lying if I said I could tell the attack ranges, but if ranges were indeed the same between a sword and a dagger it would probably be a waste of potential in combat design depth.

If daggers in reality not only are fast weapons but also high damage because... stabbing. But their realistic disadvantages are mainly the range and the lower damage potential compared to swords because there is less material weight behind them. I guess if Intrepid were able to design them that way that would be great.
Though being overly focused on realism will only make the fantasy elements look stupid. There is a balance to strike and not an easy one at that.

Depraved

LegendNDK wrote: »

When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk

huge like deez

Enigmatic Sage

Kilion wrote: »

I'd be lying if I said I could tell the attack ranges, but if ranges were indeed the same between a sword and a dagger it would probably be a waste of potential in combat design depth.

If daggers in reality not only are fast weapons but also high damage because... stabbing. But their realistic disadvantages are mainly the range and the lower damage potential compared to swords because there is less material weight behind them. I guess if Intrepid were able to design them that way that would be great.
Though being overly focused on realism will only make the fantasy elements look stupid. There is a balance to strike and not an easy one at that.

Yeah it's not something I like either to be honest. It's similar to how in some video games the ability is the defining factor in the range, so weapon length doesn't matter while using something like a cleave or a whirl wind.. but yeah. They wanted it to be fair for dagger users as weapon speed and haste doesn't really have the role people think it does currently.

daveywavey

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

time stamp 3:50 onwards.

https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

I mean, was the sword range the only distance it could hit at, or was that just how he played it and ran right up to it, or it ran up to him?

Enigmatic Sage

daveywavey wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

time stamp 3:50 onwards.

https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

I mean, was the sword range the only distance it could hit at, or was that just how he played it and ran right up to it, or it ran up to him?

It's to do with being able to hit targets with player collision. The weapon class/weight just has to do with mobility and "root" motion with inertia. The range of attack regardless of weapon is pretty much the same based on what they've said and shown for melee anyways.

Aszkalon

LegendNDK wrote: »

When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk

I think it will not be as overly huge as some Weapons from WoW, or even the Dragonslayer from Berserk.

Would be very refreshing to be honest. Always these Swords that are as big as your Character, feel a little bit and forced at times.

Tyranthraxus

There was a giant one in today's live-stream. Granted, it's clearly a two-handed sword over the guy's shoulder, when he's standing still.

....Every Korean MMO player's wet-dream - but then again, how else would you hold a 2-hander, while at-ease?

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