Player Respawn Times

Definitely a HUGE NO on any respawn that is not instantaneous. I do not want to literally log off the game as soon as I die.

Losing the character completely in a hardcore challenge is a whole different thing because you know that you only have one life so you play with that in mind. Having a respawn that literally removes gameplay time from a PAID SUBSCRIPTION is a very very bad idea.

And as you yourself mentioned - this is very p2w, because people who don't care about money can have enough character to never stop playing even if they die every damn minute. Good for Intrepid's pockets - bad for everyone else.

NiKr wrote: »

Definitely a HUGE NO on any respawn that is not instantaneous. I do not want to literally log off the game as soon as I die.

Losing the character completely in a hardcore challenge is a whole different thing because you know that you only have one life so you play with that in mind. Having a respawn that literally removes gameplay time from a PAID SUBSCRIPTION is a very very bad idea.

And as you yourself mentioned - this is very p2w, because people who don't care about money can have enough character to never stop playing even if they die every damn minute. Good for Intrepid's pockets - bad for everyone else.

I see your point. I think the idea of this is interesting, but the actual implementation is unrealistic for western games or any games for that matter. (Referring to my original post and the fault of. P2w) The idea of it was probably used as a plot device so it made story written pvp moments feel more intense. (Referring to the long respawn time from eastern light novels) It could also be more plausible if people have access to only one account. (I believe this is achieved with eastern games by having user accounts / emails tied to their social security numbers)

If we could somehow achieve of version similar to this concept. Do you believe there’s a way it could avoid being p2w? Also, thoughts one respawn taking different times that are still short. By that I mean instant, 2 min, 5min, 10min, or even 30 minutes?

This idea of making ‘death more impactful’ could also be leaning too heavily into ‘survival’ themes when the game is not a survival based game.

Another thought is that Intrepid already has ‘punishments’ set up for a users death from the resource drop, equipment degradation, and exp debt. I think those are already impactful and are going to be really fun! Seeing what could come of this idea through the collectively experience and overall great mindset of community seems worthwhile to me.

depends on the mob. rare mobs or mobs with rare loot should have a higher respawn time.
bosses can respawn after a few days, etc. thats fine

its for balancing reasons.

for players, well it depends. not too long to be honest...like i dont wanna not be able to play my character for an hour if i die...

Depraved wrote: »

depends on the mob. rare mobs or mobs with rare loot should have a higher respawn time.
bosses can respawn after a few days, etc. that's fine its for balancing reasons.

for players, well it depends. not too long to be honest...like I don't wanna not be able to play my character for an hour if i die...

I've been thinking about it and I believe most players would probably feel that way. Right now the multiplier for Death Penalty is 1x for green, .5x for purple, and 4x for red. That for the equipment degradation, exp debt, and resource drop. (Red users also have a chance of drooping equipment).

What if the respawn timer was 20 min for green, 10 min for purple, and 1 hour (3x) for red? You could even half all that and I think it would be interesting.

As of right now, the wiki states that users that are purple and green will spawn at a designated respawn point in the region, while red players will spawn nearby. There's some mention of death penalty affecting abilities and hp, but even with that what's stopping red players form endlessly swarming you caravan even after death? This extended time idea can remedy that. *If* it becomes a problem.

it would be boring, not interesting...people want to play the game..not not play. what if you are in a new area and it takes u a couple of tries to figure out how to farm without dying, figure out mobs attacks, etc, now i need to wait 20 mins after a try?

anything past a minute sucks btw. i can see a bit of a respawn during caravans or sieges to avoid constant swarming but that can also be balanced with giving the defenders an advantage

daveywavey

I'd probably want a slightly longer respawn in PvP than in PvE, but even then it'd just be a 20secs in PvP rather than 10secs in PvE kind of thing.

Having to wait fricking ages for a respawn would turn me off very quickly, and I wouldn't be re-subbing.

Like I said, HUGE NO on anything past "I respawn as soon as I hit the "respawn" button". Any delay is useless and will only lead to everyone complaining and the design changing.

You gain nothing if you just sit there on your ass looking at a screen that says "you'll respawn in 20 minute - go touch grass you fucking nerd".

We already have weight to our deaths in the form of death penalties. Removing gameplay from subscription time is the stupidiest idea possible.

Azherae

Isn't this resolved by having the respawn itself be distant from most places you would need to respawn?

That's how I've always experienced this, before now. The delay isn't in getting back into the game, it's in getting back to 'exactly where you were and resuming what you were doing'.

itsRyanB

I think dying to mobs it should be an instant respawn like NiKr said. Waiting 20 minutes to respawn is insane and will make people rage out.

Now in terms of PvP death, I think this becomes more of a question. Do we allow people to resurrect instantly and come sprinting back into the fight with full mana and hp? I would like some sort of resurrection sickness or time-gated stat penalty when dying to players for like X amount of time, which would revert after the time is up. If two guilds are at war I don't think the team that has a closer respawn should have the reward of dying and coming right back into the fight. Personally it would remove that "thrill" of the fight. But I guess if you're camping outside of someones town with respawns you get what you deserve for being close. But I know respawn penalities are mostly hated so I know it will never happen.

Azherae wrote: »

Isn't this resolved by having the respawn itself be distant from most places you would need to respawn?

That's how I've always experienced this, before now. The delay isn't in getting back into the game, it's in getting back to 'exactly where you were and resuming what you were doing'.

That's definitely not how the OP sounded to me.

itsRyanB wrote: »

Now in terms of PvP death, I think this becomes more of a question. Do we allow people to resurrect instantly and come sprinting back into the fight with full mana and hp? I would like some sort of resurrection sickness or time-gated stat penalty when dying to players for like X amount of time, which would revert after the time is up. If two guilds are at war I don't think the team that has a closer respawn should have the reward of dying and coming right back into the fight. Personally it would remove that "thrill" of the fight. But I guess if you're camping outside of someones town with respawns you get what you deserve for being close. But I know respawn penalities are mostly hated so I know it will never happen.

This would remove benefits of positioning and planning.

Smth like what's planned for sieges, where you can create a delay on player respawns if you do a specific thing - that's fine, but also only for certain structured pvp events. If people want to die 100 times during a caravan run - let them. They'll lose a shitton of gear durability and that's gonna be their penalty.

Imo pvp is meant to be way more repeatable and returnable to than pve.

I see everyone's points.

There are other ways to make death impactful besides the delayed respawn. I don't like the idea of getting zerg'd in pvp. Or if you find a spot with resources that you want to gather, then get into a conflict with one or two people and you win. Now you know they're going to be heading straight back to you.

I'd love to have meaningful conflict in whatever way Intrepid decides.

I think that having to wait 20 min after death shouldn't make people rage. It shouldn't feel good and shouldn't that reinforce that dying should be avoided? I think it could give meaningful preparation and caution to the world. I see how this could be a negative with the idea of losing time on a game that you pay for monthly. It still might have some merit to consider...

Raven016

kalkaz wrote: »

I think that having to wait 20 min after death shouldn't make people rage.

There are people who rage quit anyway when they die.
So the timer would be for those who don't?

kalkaz wrote: »

I see everyone's points.

There are other ways to make death impactful besides the delayed respawn. I don't like the idea of getting zerg'd in pvp. Or if you find a spot with resources that you want to gather, then get into a conflict with one or two people and you win. Now you know they're going to be heading straight back to you.

I'd love to have meaningful conflict in whatever way Intrepid decides.

I think that having to wait 20 min after death shouldn't make people rage. It shouldn't feel good and shouldn't that reinforce that dying should be avoided? I think it could give meaningful preparation and caution to the world. I see how this could be a negative with the idea of losing time on a game that you pay for monthly. It still might have some merit to consider...

no merit to consider. people wont pvp with 20 mins respawns. i guess you just dont want people attacking you when you are pveing or gathering for fear of dying. if thats what you want, just say it man, its ok

you wont be zerged instantly that much anyways. and people will not be able to come back to your spot before you finish mining some rocks or whatever if you kill them. rememeber that there isnt instant teleport in ashes and it takes a few mins to go from 1 place to another one nearby plus potential mobs in the way that you would have to fight.

your suggestion wont really prevent what you described, because as you (or someone) mentioned earlier, when people die, they would go into an alt. so whats preventing them to log into their alt and killing you instead of coming back with their main?

Depraved wrote: »

no merit to consider/ people wont pvp with 20 mins respawns. i guess you just dont want people attacking you when you are pveing or gathering for fear of dying. if thats what you want, just say it man, its ok

you wont be zerged instantly that much anyways. and people will not be able to come back to your spot before you finish mining some rocks or whatever if you kill them. rememeber that there isnt instant teleport in ashes and it takes a few mins to go from 1 place to another one nearby plus potential mobs in the way that you would have to fight.

your suggestion wont really prevent what you described, because as you (or someone) mentioned earlier, when people die, they would go into an alt. so whats preventing them to log into their alt and killing you instead of coming back with their main?

I appreciate the humor but I'm okay with pvp, I'm just exploring ideas.
If someone who is a red player has the prerogative for the day to kill everyone on sight in a certain area, there's not really a hesitation or planning process when they find a target. If there was 'some form' of punishment's for death that could cause them to wait until someone's guard is down then that could add an interesting layer into the gaming experience.
Or if one of my friends die due to a trap / mob/ or red player, wouldn't that make us more cautious moving forward?

As for the logging into an alt, there's lots of way to combat that or to try to.

I do believe that my original post have been proven to not be a good fit for ashes. I'd love to hear how you think death is impactful or not impactful enough, or shouldn't be impactful!

Raven016 wrote: »

There are people who rage quit anyway when they die.
So the timer would be for those who don't?

^You have a good point. Is taking some time (let's cut it down to 5 min) really that long for a game that your probably going to play for hours that day really that long? Wouldn't the amount of deaths you had that day stick out to you more this way, instead of just sailing past them like they didn't exist after you repair your gear, get a little exp back, and go regather the wood or stone you were mining?

Mag7spy

Azherae wrote: »

Isn't this resolved by having the respawn itself be distant from most places you would need to respawn?

That's how I've always experienced this, before now. The delay isn't in getting back into the game, it's in getting back to 'exactly where you were and resuming what you were doing'.

Respawn and travel time were important even more so when it comes to pvp. how respawns over the years have gotten closer, freebee death, towards the point you just respawn where you die.

i dont think death is too impactful in ashes so far, unless you are red. it is, however, more impactful than in other games, which is enough imo.

red players still get heavily punished when they die...potentially losing weeks of progress, not just 20 mins.

Depraved wrote: »

i dont think death is too impactful in ashes so far, unless you are red. it is, however, more impactful than in other games, which is enough imo.

red players still get heavily punished when they die...potentially losing weeks of progress, not just 20 mins.

In my uneducated perspective, I don't know if weeks of progress would be lost, maybe for a normal player if they had their best gear on and are leveling for raids. Red players are people who go after green players who aren't flagged for pvp. They probably don't care about 15% of their Xp and might not be wearing their best equipment.

I could be very wrong on how impactful these penalties are, I can only speculate from the wiki.
Also, if you take a group of bounty hunters to kill a group of red players, wouldn't it feel good knowing that they aren't immediately back in the game. I think it adds the 'feeling of death' to player deaths. Not just penalties.

kalkaz wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

i dont think death is too impactful in ashes so far, unless you are red. it is, however, more impactful than in other games, which is enough imo.

red players still get heavily punished when they die...potentially losing weeks of progress, not just 20 mins.

In my uneducated perspective, I don't know if weeks of progress would be lost, maybe for a normal player if they had their best gear on and are leveling for raids. Red players are people who go after green players who aren't flagged for pvp. They probably don't care about 15% of their Xp and might not be wearing their best equipment.

I could be very wrong on how impactful these penalties are, I can only speculate from the wiki.
Also, if you take a group of bounty hunters to kill a group of red players, wouldn't it feel good knowing that they aren't immediately back in the game. I think it adds the 'feeling of death' to player deaths. Not just penalties.

no because id be afected by that as well. aslwo hy do u specifically hate red players? theres nothing evil about being red..

what if oyu pk someone because they pk you before first, for example?

we also dont know if you will be able to pk wearing crappy gear or not...