Arachnophobia and Ashes

Kudos on how awesome the spiders look in this game. They way they leap and move, right down to how they attack. It's creepy and feel so right.

About 15% of the population suffer from Arachnophobia and the majority of the people who suffer from Arachnophobia are women.

As a man who plays with my wife that suffers from this. I'm asking that you please have options for people like my darling wife. Some games have settings that turn all spiders into something else graphically. A blob, a bunny etc.

I can't count how many times my wife is hiding under her desk when playing an MMO and she is waiting for the spiders to be dead.

I know I will be bashed for this but watching my wife losing her mind in games and seeing how other games accommodate people like her. I am ready to be made fun of. Thanks to the Devs for considering this or just for reading my post. I make this post for all men that love to game with their wives that suffer from this. Families that game together, stay together.

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AnimusRex

Aszkalon wrote: »

I wonder how an "Arachne-Censor" Mode would function. Would be funny to see them all move around as mean-looking Slimes or something.

As someone who has a Slime phobia...

Depraved

but can you guys play spiderman?xD

Azherae

Kilion wrote: »

So what are we going to do against all the other phobias?

Nothing.

Why is this the 'argument' people use here anyway?

I really don't feel like getting into it, but for the sake of at least once:

A lot of these are partially physiological overdrive reactions, and arachnophobia in particular is a reaction that is very visual. Games, particularly MMOs, utilize their spider mobs specifically in places and in ways that even people with minimal fear of spiders experience as 'scary' or intended to be, most of the time. This is in contrast to even snakes for most games (though I could see an argument for this one in MMOs at least, too).

Your list of other phobias are things that players can easily avoid and have personal control over in almost all MMOs. Very few games 'force you to fly without warning', and the fear of heights and flying are often different in game form vs not, whereas arachnophobia is usually not. Most games that trigger tryptophobia do it by accident, or certainly don't 'do it almost randomly, taking people by surprise or cutting off entire parts of the game'.

As for 'the work required', this is also something that doesn't hold up, but I trust that Intrepid knows that 90% of even remotely sensible spider movements, attacks, or behaviours, in MMOs, can easily be substituted with blobs/slimes, which are among the least difficult things to add or animate.

This is why arachnophobia is the one Devs fix. Empathy, I guess...

Ah well, good luck OP. I hope my trust in Intrepid isn't misplaced, and you only have to endure their 'bashing' until Intrepid makes some statement on the matter. But, since you already said you plan to stand up to it...

Aegis away.

Arya_Yeshe

Maybe people call phobia any minor disconfort they feel

My grandfather had aracnophobia and he couldn't stay in the same space as the spider if he saw a 2 millimeters spider, my grandmother would get so mad at him that she used to kill the spiders with her bare hands just to show him

AnimusRex

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

my grandmother would get so mad at him that she used to kill the spiders with her bare hands just to show him

Syngenesophobia. Fear of relatives, quite often grandmothers.

nanfoodle

Azherae wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

So what are we going to do against all the other phobias?

Nothing.

Why is this the 'argument' people use here anyway?

I really don't feel like getting into it, but for the sake of at least once:

A lot of these are partially physiological overdrive reactions, and arachnophobia in particular is a reaction that is very visual. Games, particularly MMOs, utilize their spider mobs specifically in places and in ways that even people with minimal fear of spiders experience as 'scary' or intended to be, most of the time. This is in contrast to even snakes for most games (though I could see an argument for this one in MMOs at least, too).

Your list of other phobias are things that players can easily avoid and have personal control over in almost all MMOs. Very few games 'force you to fly without warning', and the fear of heights and flying are often different in game form vs not, whereas arachnophobia is usually not. Most games that trigger tryptophobia do it by accident, or certainly don't 'do it almost randomly, taking people by surprise or cutting off entire parts of the game'.

As for 'the work required', this is also something that doesn't hold up, but I trust that Intrepid knows that 90% of even remotely sensible spider movements, attacks, or behaviours, in MMOs, can easily be substituted with blobs/slimes, which are among the least difficult things to add or animate.

This is why arachnophobia is the one Devs fix. Empathy, I guess...

Ah well, good luck OP. I hope my trust in Intrepid isn't misplaced, and you only have to endure their 'bashing' until Intrepid makes some statement on the matter. But, since you already said you plan to stand up to it...

Aegis away.

Well said.

Kilion

I'm not here to bash, which is why I didn't do it. I'm simply pointing out that if people suffering from arachnophobia "deserve" empathy, it is 100% legitimate to either address other phobias like that against snakes or canines or provide some explanation why those are not "legitimate", don't require fixing or deserve empathy. And just dismissing this question altogether would just seem kind of inconsistent to me.

Btw I didn't say "Intrepid cant do XYZ", I am agnostic about the outcome of this, however I am interested in the reasoning behind potential the dismissal of other phobias if that were to happen.

SunScript

Kilion wrote: »

I'm not here to bash, which is why I didn't do it. I'm simply pointing out that if people suffering from arachnophobia "deserve" empathy, it is 100% legitimate to either address other phobias like that against snakes or canines or provide some explanation why those are not "legitimate", don't require fixing or deserve empathy. And just dismissing this question altogether would just seem kind of inconsistent to me.

Btw I didn't say "Intrepid cant do XYZ", I am agnostic about the outcome of this, however I am interested in the reasoning behind potential the dismissal of other phobias if that were to happen.

The explanation is in the post you are reacting to. It's literally right there.

nanfoodle

Claustrophobia is not triggered by tight spaces in videos games. I know I suffer from claustrophobia and so do I few my other friends. The feeling of walls pressing in is just not there. Strangely that does happen in VR.

Same with the fear of heights. You just get that sensation in a video game unless you're in VR. That phobia can be triggered in VR.

Many of the phobias don't fully tigger in video games but arachnophobia is 100% triggered and as mentioned above Ashes has done a bang up job of getting spiders just too realistic. I have never seen an MMO pull that off this well as I posted in my OP.

Kilion

nanfoodle wrote: »

Claustrophobia is not triggered by tight spaces in videos games. I know I suffer from claustrophobia and so do I few my other friends. The feeling of walls pressing in is just not there. Strangely that does happen in VR.

Same with the fear of heights. You just get that sensation in a video game unless you're in VR. That phobia can be triggered in VR.

Many of the phobias don't fully tigger in video games but arachnophobia is 100% triggered and as mentioned above Ashes has done a bang up job of getting spiders just too realistic. I have never seen an MMO pull that off this well as I posted in my OP.

People have pointed out that these other things don't apply - fair enough then let's go through the rest of the list. Can you comment on canines and snakes as well?

TheDarkSorcerer

I am all for improvements for people with actual disabilities. But a phobia is not a disability, but a disorder.

Azherae

Kilion wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Claustrophobia is not triggered by tight spaces in videos games. I know I suffer from claustrophobia and so do I few my other friends. The feeling of walls pressing in is just not there. Strangely that does happen in VR.

Same with the fear of heights. You just get that sensation in a video game unless you're in VR. That phobia can be triggered in VR.

Many of the phobias don't fully tigger in video games but arachnophobia is 100% triggered and as mentioned above Ashes has done a bang up job of getting spiders just too realistic. I have never seen an MMO pull that off this well as I posted in my OP.

People have pointed out that these other things don't apply - fair enough then let's go through the rest of the list. Can you comment on canines and snakes as well?

This reaction was predictable, but helpful. I really hope that Intrepid takes note of it.

When your point ends up being supported by 'finding other people who suffer similarly and therefore would also need to be helped', at least one of two things is happening. Either you just don't want to change your stance and view 'everyone suffering equally' as the optimal state, or you've recognized your stance is changing but aren't good at communicating it.

There's a viable 'inbetween' ofc, and it's possible for both to happen at once.

I'm perfectly willing to comment on canines and snakes, actually, but before that, since that is subjective and brings in a lot of research papers, consider if you really need me to, or if you're in the state above. Would me going 'oh, no, you're right, (we shouldn't do anything for arachnophobes, they should have to suck it up, because) people who fear dogs or snakes didn't get any changes and it's not fair', be a positive outcome here for you in terms of 'discussion'?

Depraved

they could probably just add a way to replace every single mob skin by something that no one fears lol. like all or nothing lmao.

nanfoodle

Kilion wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Claustrophobia is not triggered by tight spaces in videos games. I know I suffer from claustrophobia and so do I few my other friends. The feeling of walls pressing in is just not there. Strangely that does happen in VR.

Same with the fear of heights. You just get that sensation in a video game unless you're in VR. That phobia can be triggered in VR.

Many of the phobias don't fully tigger in video games but arachnophobia is 100% triggered and as mentioned above Ashes has done a bang up job of getting spiders just too realistic. I have never seen an MMO pull that off this well as I posted in my OP.

People have pointed out that these other things don't apply - fair enough then let's go through the rest of the list. Can you comment on canines and snakes as well?

No... My explanation stands from the op and I'm not going to nitpick on it. If you don't understand that's okay.

WHIT3ROS3

This is completely absurd.

Serithis

Depraved wrote: »

Serithis wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

This is not the first time it has been mentioned. Give the forums a search and you will find larger threads that discuss that issue. So far as I remember, there are no plans to cater to any group based on their specific fears.

Don't worry, he's very well aware it's not the first. after all, he never came up with this idea himself. Just repeating what's popular because it makes him feel like he fits in somewhere

hey don't be mean!

well u can be, freedom of speech and all that, but you don't know if he is saying that because of the reasons you listed

A bit of a reductive a way of looking at it. You must lack scope on the overall sentiment of people beginning to throw these thoughtless bandwagons a bone, and its consequence.

His mention of other games adding this feature, shows that was the inspiration of his entire thought for making the post to another game, acting as a nudging way of saying "you guys should also be obliged to hop on the bandwagon if everyone else is doing it!!" with a sad sort of appeal to popularity, Like it should be regarded as important that we need to be in on memey movements people bandwagon for whatever reason. what's funny to me, is I didn't even read that part of the post til later as I already knew it was coming from that place.

but anyway, I don't really believe most arachnophobes, lot of them are people who are scared of spiders but play it up for attention. that simple. that's why it's such a popular relationship meme cause it makes dudes feel special. perhaps why he might highlight himself as "as a man who plays with my wife"

my views are regardless of whether or not his wife is actually an arachnophobe. I'm not for the whole acting as a mouthpiece promoting what we all know is the "cool popular opinion" for that echo chamber approval

Reason it's been been a meme because people like making themselves look vulnerable for attention, feel quirky, or some similar motivation. So anyway that's my rant. call it mean all you want

Undead Canuck

I love that the people demanding a special mode for arachnophobia keeps saying that everyone else just doesn't understand (including the people with the same phobia!). No matter how much evidence is given, they are closed.
Instead of just bashing people who are offering logical arguments, try to expand your mind.

Even the people who have arachnophobia (myself included) have said that exposure therapy (including just playing games with spiders in them) works.
The first time I saw these realistically detailed spiders in A1, I just ran away. After a while, I deliberately went back to that area and stayed there. Actually looked at them. Some time later, while I still wasn't completely comfortable with them, I was able to fight them and go through areas of them. In A2, I hope to work on it some more.

The biggest issue I have about going with a mode like this is that the developers have to waste time redoing work that has already been done. They would have to create new models and new animations (at least) just for the people who will not try to improve themselves.

And I will chime in with many others and ask why would Intrepid only deal with spiders and/or where does the line get drawn. As already pointed out, there are many other phobias that have a large percentage of people affected. This is a prime example of scope creep for a minimal return.

Taaku

Games typically use spider type mobs as a way of scaring the player or setting the mood as a "this is a scary / spooky / abandoned place."
Asking games to change spiders mobs just so someone can play is like someone asking "Hey i wanna go see this R rated slasher gore movie... but i'm scared of blood so... can you just take out the blood?"
Sorry to say but maybe this content just isn't for you. As others have said people have learned to deal with their phobias, some have learned to work around them, others learn to stay away from compromising situations.

Depraved

Serithis wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Serithis wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

This is not the first time it has been mentioned. Give the forums a search and you will find larger threads that discuss that issue. So far as I remember, there are no plans to cater to any group based on their specific fears.

Don't worry, he's very well aware it's not the first. after all, he never came up with this idea himself. Just repeating what's popular because it makes him feel like he fits in somewhere

hey don't be mean!

well u can be, freedom of speech and all that, but you don't know if he is saying that because of the reasons you listed

A bit of a reductive a way of looking at it. You must lack scope on the overall sentiment of people beginning to throw these thoughtless bandwagons a bone, and its consequence.

His mention of other games adding this feature, shows that was the inspiration of his entire thought for making the post to another game, acting as a nudging way of saying "you guys should also be obliged to hop on the bandwagon if everyone else is doing it!!" with a sad sort of appeal to popularity, Like it should be regarded as important that we need to be in on memey movements people bandwagon for whatever reason. what's funny to me, is I didn't even read that part of the post til later as I already knew it was coming from that place.

but anyway, I don't really believe most arachnophobes, lot of them are people who are scared of spiders but play it up for attention. that simple. that's why it's such a popular relationship meme cause it makes dudes feel special. perhaps why he might highlight himself as "as a man who plays with my wife"

my views are regardless of whether or not his wife is actually an arachnophobe. I'm not for the whole acting as a mouthpiece promoting what we all know is the "cool popular opinion" for that echo chamber approval

Reason it's been been a meme because people like making themselves look vulnerable for attention, feel quirky, or some similar motivation. So anyway that's my rant. call it mean all you want

i didnt see it as a bandwagon thing. he was just giving an example of how it can be done and basically saying "if other games did it, its because its possible and probably not too hard"

Mag7spy

Lets get a game first, if the out cry is that big it will be known and the devs might do something about it if it truly is a issue.

People trying to mention people aren't trying to answer and using other phobias to deflect is pretty silly.

Also using grounded as an example is also silly imo with the limited amount of mobs and how the game is designed. If AoC main creatures were spiders and that is what you encountered 24/7 as main content. Than you could say they are similar and people are faced to deal with them more often.

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