Warning from my previous experiences facing healers balanced around PvE.

simply put; they end up mandatory. a grp with a healer cannot lose in pvp againt a grp with out one.
i'm active on new world and the current meta is anti heal proc on everything.
it was true in dark age of camelot 20 years ago and it's still an issue today.

love you, cant wait for the alpha.

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Effah

Yes you guys have a agenda, and you want that little advantage you built over the years to transfer into Ashes.

throwing ur little buzzwords like multiplayer or MMORPG wont change the fact that you are forcing the solo player to interracial in some way with you're mafia guild.

i'm curious on what open world pvp focused games you guys played ?
the only recent one that actualy worked is albion online. Even ESO's large scale pvp zone seams empty and people would rather do arenas.
WoW pvp is beyond ridiculous to get into
New World is known for its fun pvp mechancis and the devs are only making content for the casual PvE player.

Yall played a few MMOs and you think you understand of what a non instanced pvp looks like.

forcing people into a trinity will just halt any kind of action until you get there. Then tryhard groups will bully the average casual player into zerging.

if you dont push people into that nonsense you have a fun battle field with improvised opportunities or hardship. All you have to do is being aware of you're surrounding and make ur own decisions depending on how many allies or enemies are present at vision range.
this is plenty enuf to have a ton of fun if the game rewards you for exploring enemy territories even if you don't kill anyone.
this is way more fun than a never ending show or strength threw numbers or squad synergy.

Ludullu

P0GG0 wrote: »

Yes you guys have a agenda, and you want that little advantage you built over the years to transfer into Ashes.

throwing ur little buzzwords like multiplayer or MMORPG wont change the fact that you are forcing the solo player to interracial in some way with you're mafia guild.

Lol, I'm literally gonna be a solo player that will make a node guild to support other solo players. And I'll do that exactly because I want the game to make people rely on guilds and support from others. Because that makes the game more social.

P0GG0 wrote: »

i'm curious on what open world pvp focused games you guys played ?

Yall played a few MMOs and you think you understand of what a non instanced pvp looks like.

I played Lineage 2 and I know exactly how it is to fight against both the zerg and the highly organized small guilds as a zerg.

Non-instanced dungeons are more fun when you're farming them with your mates that get together every time, instead of trying to find some randos who don't even know you and might not ever play with you again.

P0GG0 wrote: »

forcing people into a trinity will just halt any kind of action until you get there. Then tryhard groups will bully the average casual player into zerging.

So you DO know that zergs are comprised of random casuals who barely play the game!

And they lose to any coordinated group 9/10 times. Making people properly socialize into coordinated groups, and balancing the game around that, creates good guilds instead of those zerg ones you keep mentioning.

You're literally asking for the thing you don't want.

Noaani

P0GG0 wrote: »

Yes you guys have a agenda, and you want that little advantage you built over the years to transfer into Ashes.

You also have an agenda - you want the game to be more to your liking.

Diamaht

Noaani wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

Yes you guys have a agenda, and you want that little advantage you built over the years to transfer into Ashes.

You also have an agenda - you want the game to be more to your liking.

And we overwhelmingly don't want it to be his way.

Noaani

Diamaht wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

Yes you guys have a agenda, and you want that little advantage you built over the years to transfer into Ashes.

You also have an agenda - you want the game to be more to your liking.

And we overwhelmingly don't want it to be his way.

Indeed.

Okeydoke

NiKr wrote: »

so I made my own guild, made people play with themselves

P0GG0 wrote: »

you are forcing the solo player to interracial in some way with you're mafia guild.

you guys r wild

Ludullu

Okeydoke wrote: »

you guys r wild

But you see

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Playing solo in mmos can be more a desire to feel the consequences of your own actions, to have your own progression. And reluctance to follow a leader.

Then become that leader. That's what I did. I hated playing with other people, so I made my own guild, made people play with themselves, while I could still progress bit by bit.

Before my previous post, I went and read what introvert means (the first paragraph)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion

Now I read more and I see that there is Ambiversion:

Most contemporary trait theories measure levels of extraversion-introversion as part of a single, continuous dimension of personality, with some scores near one end, and others near the halfway mark.[21] Ambiversion is falling more or less in the middle.[10][22]

And

Mistaking introversion for shyness is a common error. Introversion is a preference, while shyness stems from distress. Introverts prefer solitary to social activities, but do not necessarily fear social encounters like shy people do.[17
[...]
Cain describes how society is biased against introverts, and that, with people being taught from childhood that to be sociable is to be happy, introversion is now considered "somewhere between a disappointment and pathology".[19

Anyway, Steven has a clear aim made up at least 7 years ago, of helping the introverts play together more, without pushing them into a guild.
That is why he created the Node citizenship and denies the straightforward option of guild leaders to become mayors.
It will be interesting to see this concept in game.

Effah

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

Percimes

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

No they don't suck. What sucks is when they're the only viable options of play, which is rarely the case, although they're overly represented in the end-game stage usually.

Raven016

Percimes wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

No they don't suck. What sucks is when they're the only viable options of play, which is rarely the case, although they're overly represented in the end-game stage usually.

Why only 3?
Let's invent a holly quadrality, quintality and sextality too.

Effah

Raven016 wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

No they don't suck. What sucks is when they're the only viable options of play, which is rarely the case, although they're overly represented in the end-game stage usually.

Why only 3?
Let's invent a holly quadrality, quintality and sextality too.

let be real this is not healthy game design.

Raven016

P0GG0 wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

No they don't suck. What sucks is when they're the only viable options of play, which is rarely the case, although they're overly represented in the end-game stage usually.

Why only 3?
Let's invent a holly quadrality, quintality and sextality too.

let be real this is not healthy game design.

To understand why 3 or 4 is a stable configuration, one must try creating a more complicated one too.
Physical armor can be coupled with a magical armor too.

But I know you actually mean that even 3 is too much and ideally one character should be sufficient when needed.
It is clear to me why Steven wants the holly trinity and I see no way you can change his mind.
With good balancing, we will not have any problems due to such specializations.

Vyril

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

Dude. If you truly feel this way. Get off the bus now.

Ashes isn't changing and you're just looking stupid.

Vyril

P0GG0 wrote: »

Vyril wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

Dude. If you truly feel this way. Get off the bus now.

Ashes isn't changing and you're just looking stupid.

truth sounds like hate to the one who does not want to hear it.

thrown and liberty changed their whole combat system in a month. ashes is in alpha, do the math troll.

And is p2w.

You're not helping your cause. This comment might be your worst one yet.

Ludullu

P0GG0 wrote: »

thrown and liberty changed their whole combat system in a month. ashes is in alpha, do the math troll.

TL changed it, because it's an NCsoft game, who're always about the money. Steven is making his game-child, so changing it completely would be the same as replacing your child with someone else.

Mag7spy

P0GG0 wrote: »

You guys are high on copium, the guild / trinity model suck's.

If you join me I promise you can get revenge on the people you don't like.

Effah

look at this, they already targeting healers week one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEq6exo9io

yall dont know anything.

Mag7spy

@P0GG0 It is your time for revenge.... join me, and as you work for ME you can have the privilege to destroy all the people you want...

Ludullu

P0GG0 wrote: »

look at this, they already targeting healers week one.

yall dont know anything.

What a surprise, high value kills get made first (more like, attempted). Make it easy for tanks to protect healers and now tanks are high value kills.

Also, his party/raid ui is not visible in that video and I don't remember if TL's healers heal just party or anyone in their aoe. If Ashes sticks to the party limitations - healers might be lower value kills, because it'd be easier to burst down an aoe burst dpser than trying to kill a healer under the protection of a tank.

To me it seems like you don't know anything

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