Favorite and least favorite mechanics to face in PvP

When making a multiplayer game it's important to think about mechanics that are fun to use, but also fun to play against.

With that in mind I'd like you to list the mechanics you love to play against, as well as mechanics you hate to play against.

I'll start. I love to play against positional-based abilities and terrain-based CC. For example, abilities that have different effects depending on if the target is facing towards you or away from you. For terrain-based CC, this is something quite common in games like LoL but rarely seen outside of it, where you have some kind of knockback ability and if you knock someone into a wall, they get stunned.

I hate playing against any kind of invisibility or stealth, especially when there's no visual indicator that someone is invisible near you.

That's it for me, so what are YOUR favorite and least favorite game mechanics?

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT making this thread as a member of Intrepid Studios and nothing in this thread is meant to provide feedback to the developers. This is purely for fun and an interesting discussion point.

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Depraved

i like stealth ;3

Wandering Mist

Depraved wrote: »

i like stealth ;3

I know stealth is a very popular mechanic to use, but do you enjoy facing stealthed characters?

Depraved

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

i like stealth ;3

I know stealth is a very popular mechanic to use, but do you enjoy facing stealthed characters?

i dont really mindit. there are ways around it. i also dont like if there is an indicator that there is someone stealthed near you or if they are too easy to detect. it ruins the mechanic.

probably the thing i dislike is when there is a character that can perma kite and hit from 496785675 meters away and i cant reach them lol

Percimes

I don't like hard CC with no counter or diminishing return. AoE stuns and long AoE mez in DAoC turned frontier RvR into matches of which side would land the CC on the other first.

I like when there are options to give your class limited use of something that's not in its skill kit by default. Engineering in WoW had lots of those weird items that would do that. Mind control helmet, explosives, jump cables (could resurrect), etc.

Ludullu

Love high mobility mirror 1v1 matches.

Hate very long fear effects (victim running away in the directly opposite direction from the attacker w/o being able to do anything).

Wandering Mist

Percimes wrote: »

I don't like hard CC with no counter or diminishing return. AoE stuns and long AoE mez in DAoC turned frontier RvR into matches of which side would land the CC on the other first.

I like when there are options to give your class limited use of something that's not in its skill kit by default. Engineering in WoW had lots of those weird items that would do that. Mind control helmet, explosives, jump cables (could resurrect), etc.

Definitely agreed on the hard CC - nothing worse than being CC-locked to death with zero counterplay.

Wandering Mist

NiKr wrote: »

Love high mobility mirror 1v1 matches.

Hate very long fear effects (victim running away in the directly opposite direction from the attacker w/o being able to do anything).

Would you extend that to all hard CC, or just fear mechanics specifically?

Mag7spy

Fav

Mobility for sure with classes and good defensive actions so it has a element of skill involved. Ability to react is important to have good skill ceilings with the right balance of speed / cooldowns.

What I dislike is when people can stay in iframe or link lingering forms of protection and that becomes the gameplay loop. Which is important to have the right balance of CC and not too much where you feel the need to add other mechanicals to balance it out like linger protection that does not allow you to be cc.

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Ludullu

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Would you extend that to all hard CC, or just fear mechanics specifically?

Only "you'll run reaaaaal fucking far w/o any control" mechanics. Totally fine with full stuns and/or some pushing/pulling. Even just a short fear effect would be fine, but I've experienced some that are several seconds long, and when your speed is really high - you're moving to another damn country while you're feared.

I guess combining fear with a slow effect would resolve my issue, but then it's a question of balancing a double-effect ability vs other, potentially, single-effect ones.

Voeltz

I like playing against skill shots because they're not guaranteed hits every time like tab target abilities and can be countered through properly timed blocks dodges or movement skills.

I don't like playing against cancerous amounts of CC that have no counterplay. I remember back in AA there was this mage build that everyone used which would CC lock you for over 30 seconds paired with high burst damage channels in between. To my knowledge, the only way to get a CC break was from a special item that was bought from the store. Luckily Ashes will have both diminishing returns and CC breaks built into the classes.

JamesSunderland

NiKr wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Would you extend that to all hard CC, or just fear mechanics specifically?

Only "you'll run reaaaaal fucking far w/o any control" mechanics. Totally fine with full stuns and/or some pushing/pulling. Even just a short fear effect would be fine, but I've experienced some that are several seconds long, and when your speed is really high - you're moving to another damn country while you're feared.

I guess combining fear with a slow effect would resolve my issue, but then it's a question of balancing a double-effect ability vs other, potentially, single-effect ones.

L2's +30 cost Curse of Fear was definitely an unbalanced abomination

Wandering Mist wrote: »

With that in mind I'd like you to list the mechanics you love to play against, as well as mechanics you hate to play against.

I love RNG Mechanics in PvP that makes players properly make extra plans and adapt on the fly to unpredictable possibilities and outcomes.

I hate spam of extended iFrames and/or spam of ultra defensive mechanics with no counterplay.

Ludullu

JamesSunderland wrote: »

L2's +30 cost Curse of Fear was definitely an unbalanced abomination

Yeah, I forgot how long that shit was. I tried to be on the lower estimate with my "several seconds", but jfc

Mag7spy

Wait you cant control your character for a whole minute? Or am i reading it wrong.

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Wait you cant control your character for a whole minute? Or am i reading it wrong.

Yeah, some things were broken as fuck in that game

This wasn't a 100% chance debuff, but it did land somewhat often, depending on the target's resistances.

This is why I hated it

That particular version of skill required a toooon of resources to get though, but even the base version wasn't much better imo.

Mag7spy

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Korela

I don't like that I can't control my character during stuns, fears, petrifications, etc. I consider even just channeling skills a bad mechanic if I can’t do anything else besides alt+tab. Burning mana, blocking spells, immobilizing and slowing isn't much fun either, but at least it's playable.

I like jumps, rushes, blinks, warps, etc. It's fun to take advantage of your mobility against heavier targets or simply fly across the battlefield between them.

Depraved

Mag7spy wrote: »

Wait you cant control your character for a whole minute? Or am i reading it wrong.

that wasnt the final duration. still long enough to lose a 1v1 but not long enough to matter in group play, unless u were the healer and got feared xD

persian

If stealth is done well, it's usually not an issue and is often critical to that class's ability to play the game in a pvp environment imo.

For me it's:

- RNG elements. Any class that would trigger 1/6 options for instance, or have hugely varied damage just ruins it for me.

- One-shot abilities with little to no counterplay.

- Unfair Resource starvation. Running out of x resource with zero way to recover making you useless in a fight for an extended period of time when you otherwise couldn't have ended the fight earlier anyway.

Liniker

something I really don't like is low TTK (time-to-kill) in MMOs, both for PvE and PvP but especially PvP,

Intrepid's intention of a 30~60s TTK for pvp is one of the highlights for me, even tho A1 and last stream the game still has a 5s TTK like most MMOs

hopefully that changes

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