Having more than master class

Hey everyone,

I've been thinking about the class system in Ashes of Creation, especially the part where we can only master 3 out of the 22 classes like blacksmith, lumberjack, etc. I'm not sure what the official term for these classes is, but you get the idea.

I was wondering, what if we could master more classes, like 6 instead of just 3? And maybe for the classes we don't master, we could still have higher ranks or levels in them. I think it would add more depth to our gameplay and give us more options to explore different skills.

What do you all think about this idea? Would love to hear your thoughts!

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Ehrgeiz

Dygz wrote: »

I mean - I abhor player-driven economy.... probably at the bottom of my interests in an MMORPG... even below PvP. It's not a deal-breaker... but I try to avoid player-driven economy as much as possible.
Gamers are too greedy for my liking.

Doesnt like pvp
doesnt like player-driven economy
maybe, just thinking, ashes/mmos is nothing for you?

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

I don't think of crafting with others to be "economy" because I do that stuff for free.
I consider "player-driven economy" to be about gamers pursuing capitalism.

I can feel useful and great providing needed items and utlilities for my allies without selling stuff to them (or other players). And, I have zero interest in feeling powerful with regard to any economy.
I play RPGs to feel like I'm living in a Fantasy novel and I don't enjoy reading Fantasy novels that focus on the protagonists striving to be economically powerful.

I don't think I've ever sold stuff to other players when I play D&D (in 30+ years).
Buying and selling is done via NPCs. That's what I prefer when I play RPGs.
(But, I'm old... )

oh, so do you prefer communism? capitalism is I give you something in exchange for something. You aren't forced to say yes. you can decide it's a good deal. if you plant tomatoes and give me a few for free so I can make a food buff, that's still capitalism. surprise, surprise.

anyways, nothing is stopping you to give your friends / guildies things for free, and nothing is stopping them from giving you things for free. you can still get everything you are looking for. you can still trade tomatoes for pineapples, or for a sword.

Thokan

Geeze. Just because Dygz doesnt want to play the "Auction House game" there is no need to try and prove him wrong with mental gymnastics or tell him to play another game.

He is wholly correct in his statements.

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I don't think of crafting with others to be "economy" because I do that stuff for free.
I consider "player-driven economy" to be about gamers pursuing capitalism.

I can feel useful and great providing needed items and utlilities for my allies without selling stuff to them (or other players). And, I have zero interest in feeling powerful with regard to any economy.
I play RPGs to feel like I'm living in a Fantasy novel and I don't enjoy reading Fantasy novels that focus on the protagonists striving to be economically powerful.

I don't think I've ever sold stuff to other players when I play D&D (in 30+ years).
Buying and selling is done via NPCs. That's what I prefer when I play RPGs.
(But, I'm old... )

oh, so do you prefer communism? capitalism is I give you something in exchange for something. You aren't forced to say yes. you can decide it's a good deal. if you plant tomatoes and give me a few for free so I can make a food buff, that's still capitalism. surprise, surprise.

anyways, nothing is stopping you to give your friends / guildies things for free, and nothing is stopping them from giving you things for free. you can still get everything you are looking for. you can still trade tomatoes for pineapples, or for a sword.

Quite an anal analogy. You are describing any kind of market. Thats not capitalism.

He's just experiencing an MMORPG without any effort to "make money" and just sharing with his friends. That's obviously not communism. Or did your parents force you to pay for your morning cereals as a child?

No, capitalism is when you have two cows...

Depraved

Thokan wrote: »

Geeze. Just because Dygz doesnt want to play the "Auction House game" there is no need to try and prove him wrong with mental gymnastics or tell him to play another game.

He is wholly correct in his statements.

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I don't think of crafting with others to be "economy" because I do that stuff for free.
I consider "player-driven economy" to be about gamers pursuing capitalism.

I can feel useful and great providing needed items and utlilities for my allies without selling stuff to them (or other players). And, I have zero interest in feeling powerful with regard to any economy.
I play RPGs to feel like I'm living in a Fantasy novel and I don't enjoy reading Fantasy novels that focus on the protagonists striving to be economically powerful.

I don't think I've ever sold stuff to other players when I play D&D (in 30+ years).
Buying and selling is done via NPCs. That's what I prefer when I play RPGs.
(But, I'm old... )

oh, so do you prefer communism? capitalism is I give you something in exchange for something. You aren't forced to say yes. you can decide it's a good deal. if you plant tomatoes and give me a few for free so I can make a food buff, that's still capitalism. surprise, surprise.

anyways, nothing is stopping you to give your friends / guildies things for free, and nothing is stopping them from giving you things for free. you can still get everything you are looking for. you can still trade tomatoes for pineapples, or for a sword.

Quite an anal analogy. You are describing any kind of market. Thats not capitalism.

He's just experiencing an MMORPG without any effort to "make money" and just sharing with his friends. That's obviously not communism. Or did your parents force you to pay for your morning cereals as a child?

No, capitalism is when you have two cows...

he complained about capitalism so I just asked him he preferred communism. if you don't want capitalism, what would be the alternative? i mean maybe we should have feudalism since this is a medieval fantasy game xDD

also, I was just talking about free market. an npc market would probably not be a free market...but I guess we have both in aoc.

Mag7spy

Thokan wrote: »

Geeze. Just because Dygz doesnt want to play the "Auction House game" there is no need to try and prove him wrong with mental gymnastics or tell him to play another game.

He is wholly correct in his statements.

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I don't think of crafting with others to be "economy" because I do that stuff for free.
I consider "player-driven economy" to be about gamers pursuing capitalism.

I can feel useful and great providing needed items and utlilities for my allies without selling stuff to them (or other players). And, I have zero interest in feeling powerful with regard to any economy.
I play RPGs to feel like I'm living in a Fantasy novel and I don't enjoy reading Fantasy novels that focus on the protagonists striving to be economically powerful.

I don't think I've ever sold stuff to other players when I play D&D (in 30+ years).
Buying and selling is done via NPCs. That's what I prefer when I play RPGs.
(But, I'm old... )

oh, so do you prefer communism? capitalism is I give you something in exchange for something. You aren't forced to say yes. you can decide it's a good deal. if you plant tomatoes and give me a few for free so I can make a food buff, that's still capitalism. surprise, surprise.

anyways, nothing is stopping you to give your friends / guildies things for free, and nothing is stopping them from giving you things for free. you can still get everything you are looking for. you can still trade tomatoes for pineapples, or for a sword.

Quite an anal analogy. You are describing any kind of market. Thats not capitalism.

He's just experiencing an MMORPG without any effort to "make money" and just sharing with his friends. That's obviously not communism. Or did your parents force you to pay for your morning cereals as a child?

No, capitalism is when you have two cows...

Player driven economy isn't just auction house. If that was the case it wouldn't really be player driven economy and it just be an action house. Though the auction house is part of it crafting, gathering node development (needing materials to upgrade / building things), and any thing else that requires mats to build if sieges need it for example are all included.

Even the way the auction house works has an effect on all other content an social elements in the game do to needing different mats and needing to travel.

To ignore all the design elements and boil it down to a auction house is disingenuous or you just dont understand how the designs work together and are having a bad take.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

oh, so do you prefer communism? capitalism is I give you something in exchange for something. You aren't forced to say yes. you can decide it's a good deal. if you plant tomatoes and give me a few for free so I can make a food buff, that's still capitalism. surprise, surprise.
.

Depends on your definition of communism.
Originally, I identified as communist - mostly taking the meaning from the concept of hippies living on a commune. Later, it appeared that violent revolution is an expected component of communism and I'm a carebear, so I think I'm more socialist than communist. Also, I dunno that I'm necessarily a fan of everything being owned by the state.
Capitalism has a for profit component - which I abhor - especially with gamers in multiplayer video games.

Depraved wrote: »

anyways, nothing is stopping you to give your friends / guildies things for free, and nothing is stopping them from giving you things for free. you can still get everything you are looking for. you can still trade tomatoes for pineapples, or for a sword

True, but... irrelevant.

As a reply to: "Feeling apart of a player driven economy > Being able to grind crafting as solo content."
I vehemently disagree.
I didn't state that a player-driven economy stops me from free trading. I stated that feeling a part of a player driven is not greater than being able to grind crafting solo.
I would much rather grind crafting solo (or do just about anything else in an MMORPG) than participate in the player driven economy. I strive to ignore the player driven economy as much as possible and instead focus on the NPC driven economy.

Dygz

Ehrgeiz wrote: »

Doesnt like pvp
doesnt like player-driven economy
maybe, just thinking, ashes/mmos is nothing for you?

Haha!
You are about a 1.25 years late to reaching that conclusion.
If you are relatively new to the Ashes Forums...
Welcome!!!

(I enjoy PvP sometimes. I abhor non-consensual PvP.
And, I am an MMORPG fan, specifically; not necessarily a fan of generic MMOs)

Azherae

Obviously I am 'player-economy positive' but I also agree with Dygz completely in a specific way.

If your game economy feels too player driven to someone like Dygz, I consider that it hasn't been built correctly. In the early days of a game, I can see that there might be holes and friction points that the Economics team has to patch and smooth out, but by year 2, I'd hope/expect that someone like Dygz would be able to seamlessly view whatever stall or Auction House situation to be sensible or stable enough, in a given Node, that any strong flux is because of a world event that they can perceive, rather than 'someone like me figuring out how to fleece people or game the system and throwing the market into chaos for a big profit'.

Also a repeat of my perspective on 'mastering more classes': 2 each, all the way down, please, if not set in stone yet, but that's just rampant speculation, having seen not a single meaningful item in context yet.

VexXes

nanfoodle wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I mean - I abhor player-driven economy.... probably at the bottom of my interests in an MMORPG... even below PvP. It's not a deal-breaker... but I try to avoid player-driven economy as much as possible.
Gamers are too greedy for my liking.

They definitely are greedy.

I found GW2 had the best economy I have seen that was handled in a way that greed was removed. Most fair I have seen in my 23 years of MMOing.

Back in the day SWG had a player driven economie and there where unwritten rules. For example medic's where standing in popular hubs and entertainers in cantina's.. they all asked the same price or a bit lower but never more.. they would simply not get bought then. I remember one of the best buffs for living was around 10k and it was always advertised as 10k unless you where a guildy

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