Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it..... Pirates!

In the past few months I was lucky to have been gifted Sea of Thieves, and was able to play it for about a month until Skull and Bones launched. I never got to experience things like Archeage naval nor did I ever expect to enjoy any aspect of naval combat (even when it was mentioned to be in Ashes) until I played Sea of Thieves. While there are aspects of both these games that I enjoyed my real hope is what good aspects Intrepid can take from these 2 naval games and what should be left to Davy Jone's Locker.

Also, as I have admittedly low amount of time and experience, please feel free to correct me or add your opinions.

1. Open Seas PVP: One difference between the 2 and that Ashes has already decidedly said that they will do right-- is the open seas PVP, one of the most disappointing things when I swapped to skull and bones was the loss of the thrill of risk. While the constant NPC spawn in Skull and Bones was activity there wasn't the same situational awareness and uncertainty of what other (more dangerous) players are doing around me. This made the game start to feel boring and lackluster something I was missing from the time I played Sea of Thieves.

2. Physics and Personal Investment: When aiming to fight another ship in SoT you target below the waterline to do optimal damage, you try to spread your hits over the entirety of the ship. Making it more difficult to fix and faster to sink. This made combat feel important. It rewarded skill and awareness. When it came to repairing damage you had to use your resources to do so and had to physically go to that location and repair. Making the SaB experience incredibly underwhelming when all you do is click an item in your inventory and instant heal with a cd to your ship. I would also think using materials such as lumber gathered is a better option than players "healing" a vehicle. I would also like to see additional things such as bucketing water or putting out fires that would add to the reason for a crew to be on a ship.

3. Swimming and Boarding: It has been a huge disappointment to see games that are nautical theme or originating that you're not capable of swimming, Which obviously Ashes has already shown this isn't going to be the case. However, something I felt was very rewarding in SoT was how you were not only able to board and fight the other players but you could actively sabotage someone else's ship. Using explosives, cooking a banana, dropping an anchor, looting storage crates, stowaways; these are the things that I loved about that game.

Let me know what you all think on this, or what I missed or got wrong. More and more I am being won over to life on the sea. I hope Ashes continues to make naval gameplay better. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.

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Aszkalon

Pawkets wrote: »

Was going more for a different movie (Pirates of the Carribean) lol

Curse of the Caribbean Movie Six, when ? ^.^

JosephDavidsona

Haha, mentioning pirates instantly brings "Pirates of the Caribbean" to mind for a lot of us, doesn't it? That series really left a mark with its adventure and charm. Speaking of which, it always piques my curiosity about what sort of adventures await in the new movies in theater. It'd be interesting to see if any of them can conjure up the same magic and excitement!

Saabynator

I could imagine getting a good ship, a good crew, and just raiding ships, would be fun as fuck

wakkytabbaky

a game i loved for the ship combat was blackwake, literally was just shooting each other non stop and ramming / boarding. it was done really well , every step of loading and shooting was in it and it required a good captain and good cannoneers to do good in it. its free on steam now if anyone was interested in looking at it, the playerbase is probably dead but its got bots

Pawkets

JosephDavidsona wrote: »

Haha, mentioning pirates instantly brings "Pirates of the Caribbean" to mind for a lot of us, doesn't it? That series really left a mark with its adventure and charm.

I did also use their direct quote for the title of this thread /smile

Kotter

ninjas > pirates

Aszkalon

Saabynator wrote: »

I could imagine getting a good ship, a good crew, and just raiding ships, would be fun as fuck

Just imagine having a Ship like this one,
or maybe several or like Ten or so - and then terrorising the Open Sea's of the World of Verra with like +10 to +100 Guild Members as a fearsome Fleet of Pirates.

Wouldn't this be absolutely cuckoo and rad ??

Pawkets

Aszkalon wrote: »

Saabynator wrote: »

I could imagine getting a good ship, a good crew, and just raiding ships, would be fun as fuck

Just imagine having a Ship like this one,
or maybe several or like Ten or so - and then terrorising the Open Sea's of the World of Verra with like +10 to +100 Guild Members as a fearsome Fleet of Pirates.

Wouldn't this be absolutely cuckoo and rad ??

I imagine that ship on a sunny day. The one thing I worry about is how cosmetics will hide skill/ability. Same sort of thing with transmog in wow. In classic you can have a farmers outfit to RP in but they mostly consist of whites and gray gear that aren't very valuable stat wise. However, in retail with xmog you can look like a farmer but wearing absolute BIS gear. In a game like Ashes we will need to identify others to assess the threat, and I am concerned with all the cosmetics interfering with that.

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wakkytabbaky

Pawkets wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

Saabynator wrote: »

I could imagine getting a good ship, a good crew, and just raiding ships, would be fun as fuck

Just imagine having a Ship like this one,
or maybe several or like Ten or so - and then terrorising the Open Sea's of the World of Verra with like +10 to +100 Guild Members as a fearsome Fleet of Pirates.

Wouldn't this be absolutely cuckoo and rad ??

I imagine that ship on a sunny day. The one thing I worry about is how cosmetics will hide skill/ability. Same sort of thing with transmog in wow. In classic you can have a farmers outfit to RP in but they mostly consist of whites and gray gear that aren't very valuable stat wise. However, in retail with xmog you can look like a farmer but wearing absolute BIS gear. In a game like Ashes we will need to identify others to assess the threat, and I am concerned with all the cosmetics interfering with that.

Pawkets

from my understanding you arent supposed to know what gear people are wearing other than the armour type / weapon type, yea you can visually identify a non Xmogged piece of gear once you know what it is but if its a crafted piece it wont matter as it will be different from another piece of the same crafted gear.

not knowing the strength of someones armour and weapons makes it alot better as then if you are gonna attack someone you only know what lvl and armour type they got on but not how strong it could be and makes you rely on your skill more

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The only experience I have with this would be early wow, and after xmog wow. I feel like I disagree because armor identification is a skill. Knowing the difference in t3 and pvp gear takes skill. Knowing the armor difference and sta difference on the pvp set, or seeing someone in pure pve set will put out high burst dmg. However, I could see in Ashes as its PvX all armor sets will be stat'd more towards PVP potential. My issue is someone can xmog like an absolute lowbie scrub, with amazing gear on and people have no clue what they are about to face. Visuals are important to determining risk and reward.

Blip

Forgive me for hijacking this thread a bit, but what is known about Open sea and underwater content?

Aszkalon

Blip wrote: »

Forgive me for hijacking this thread a bit, but what is known about Open sea and underwater content?

Apparently there will be " World Bosses " in the Oceans that Players can fight with Ships.
Like a huge, gigantic - and astonishingly ugly Fish Boss (lol) that makes the Megalodon from Sea of Thieves look almost like a beauty Queen.

Underwater Content ? Ohhh boooiiii 😁 i know nothing about what Sir Steven and his Crew have planned, but i know Ashes of Creation could EEAASILY re-create something like the Gungan-City from the first Star Wars Movie that played in the Past Trilogy in how Obi-Wan and Anakin met.

Let us pray the Content does not take "to wild" a form.

Trickster

I played as a pirate for a while in archeage, it was fun but there was more punishment than rewards for being a pirate and looking the state of ashes I don't think they would do different if people can ever choose to be a pirate ingame... But I really hope we get some pirate gameplay and that is rewarding somehow for the players to be pirates

Pawkets

Blip wrote: »

Forgive me for hijacking this thread a bit, but what is known about Open sea and underwater content?

Hi-jack...

(attempt at a dad joke)

... As much as you like. I posted this for what I hope the naval could be. We have seen mounts on stream as well as what was said by Askalon has said. From what I've heard from people who probably know more than me- is AoC naval will probably be strongly resembling of Archeage naval or like Assassin's Creed black flag.

However, it is my hope that its not simply the vehicle for character to ride on but that have actual responsibilities in maintaining and functioning the craft. And the thread is started for people to put in their 2 cents for what they would like to see the naval to be. I would like to see the underwater city as well-- however, I feel that with the underrealm and the rest of the world this isn't going to be anything that comes in the initial game. But would be cool for sure!

Pawkets

Trickster wrote: »

I played as a pirate for a while in archeage, it was fun but there was more punishment than rewards for being a pirate and looking the state of ashes I don't think they would do different if people can ever choose to be a pirate ingame... But I really hope we get some pirate gameplay and that is rewarding somehow for the players to be pirates

How was it punishing? What would you make as a change to the naval? Definitely would like to hear others opinions on this and the best I was able to do was watch gameplay of AA's water combat.

Psycho-Phobic

wakkytabbaky wrote: »

Pawkets wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

Saabynator wrote: »

I could imagine getting a good ship, a good crew, and just raiding ships, would be fun as fuck

Just imagine having a Ship like this one,
or maybe several or like Ten or so - and then terrorising the Open Sea's of the World of Verra with like +10 to +100 Guild Members as a fearsome Fleet of Pirates.

Wouldn't this be absolutely cuckoo and rad ??

I imagine that ship on a sunny day. The one thing I worry about is how cosmetics will hide skill/ability. Same sort of thing with transmog in wow. In classic you can have a farmers outfit to RP in but they mostly consist of whites and gray gear that aren't very valuable stat wise. However, in retail with xmog you can look like a farmer but wearing absolute BIS gear. In a game like Ashes we will need to identify others to assess the threat, and I am concerned with all the cosmetics interfering with that.

from my understanding you arent supposed to know what gear people are wearing other than the armour type / weapon type, yea you can visually identify a non Xmogged piece of gear once you know what it is but if its a crafted piece it wont matter as it will be different from another piece of the same crafted gear.

not knowing the strength of someones armour and weapons makes it alot better as then if you are gonna attack someone you only know what lvl and armour type they got on but not how strong it could be and makes you rely on your skill more

Last I remember, Steven said that everyone will have a type of visible icon to others, similar to a buff, that others could identify as Light/Medium/Heavy armor. We won't know the exact gear they have if they are using skins, but we will have an idea of what type of role they are playing based on the category of armor.

Psycho-Phobic

Pawkets wrote: »

Trickster wrote: »

I played as a pirate for a while in archeage, it was fun but there was more punishment than rewards for being a pirate and looking the state of ashes I don't think they would do different if people can ever choose to be a pirate ingame... But I really hope we get some pirate gameplay and that is rewarding somehow for the players to be pirates

How was it punishing? What would you make as a change to the naval? Definitely would like to hear others opinions on this and the best I was able to do was watch gameplay of AA's water combat.

If you PKed, it would leave blood stains behind for others to report. They were harder to spot and report in the ocean, but they were there. And if you had enough murder counts, you could get sent to trial. If convicted, you would serve out your sentence in a labor camp to work off your time. Or you could escape early without clearing your crime status and risk getting sent to trial again for even more time.

As far as we know, in Ashes, as long as you are in international waters, you can pirate all you want without punishment. But you need to be beyond the reach of any node's zone of influence.

Pawkets

Repairing of naval vessels with the materials by the crew members.

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