AOC is NOT a PVP game.

AoC is a PVX game and that means something.

This started as a reply during another Forum post but It became long winded so I just made a post. As always any thoughts of your own are appreciated.

I think there is a general confusion on what AoC is trying to be and why some people incorrectly think that this game is being designed around Nostalgia or PVP. Its not.

I look at this game as closer to a Story to be read, or something you could write about and even if you didn't play there would be stories you would want to hear. You can have a version of meaningful conflict with out PVP for sure but the more you risk the bigger the conflict and the more interesting the story. Just look at Eve Online, I've barely touched that game but I've heard the stories and there's a chance you have to.

The idea isn't that you need to focus on your inventory when out collecting but that its a dangerous world full of conflict(terror). You need to address that, no one will likely disturb you but there is a chance and that chance pushes players in to Social content essentially. Players may provide protection services or people will group to collect to ensure safety or be aware of the other players and maybe be a little more friendly etc. Its simply not as simple as "other players want to kill me while I collect flowers and that's silly". Its that with out that you are sacrificing the core of the game and reducing the need for players to rely on each other.

Even the Nodes are designed to create conflict. So the goal is to create a world that feels in conflict. (Ideally they do add corruption effects to your character when you increase in corruption.) Where you are going out in to the world and your safety isn't guaranteed. When you see a player you ask yourself, who is that? what are they doing? what do they want? If they are corrupted, what do I do ? Did they kill someone that pissed them off or are they just out to cause trouble? You have just entered into conflict simply by being there.

People should be very clear that this is NOT a progression train that you hop on and off with no need to interact with other players and even when you do they might as well be AI for the value that it brings to the experience. I think In-fact you are most likely to prefer bots because the players tend to gravitate towards toxic behavior with a " if you slow me down you are hurting me and now I am pissed off" style of development. When i say Modern MMO's/RPGs feel empty it barely seems to even scratch the surface.

I played Wayfinder and that games feels so dam empty just like so many before it, for what it is its probably decent but I am not interested. There are a lot people that are upset that T&L has auto-play but because there is such a focus on just instant gratification that players and companies seem to just assume that anything outside that wont work, they design games that are one breath away from being AutoPlay. So clearly Autoplay was the next logical step.

Which is probably why it takes someone like Steven Shariff to change things. Remember WoW had 0 experience going in to making their MMO with only a vision and not enough money, before WoW they made RTS's and Action RPGs in a world where gaming itself was certainly not mainstream. If anyone remembers how silly their launch was and how little content the game had it would probably blow them away. It took them a full year or more to even get their servers in line. Either way they developed a game that everyone wanted to play for that time. Everyone projected a massive failure. They came out on top because their vision of WOW at that time hit the right chord.

Despite being the most popular MMORPG to date Blizzard are also oddly enough the last developer anyone should talk to before making their own MMORPG. They made what they made and that worked for them and that's it, even recently though it seems they don't understand why anyone keeps playing their own game.

Main Point is this, stop focusing on if this game is PVP or PVE, they operate together to achieve a larger goal from a Man who made a world as a Dungeon Master and wants to see that world live. Telling him to reduce the conflict points would be like telling GRR Martin to stop killing characters.

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Endowed

It's a PvP game.

And I'm very good with that.

Noaani

hleV wrote: »

Try to make sense next time.

I mean, being unable to understand basic comments is pretty typical for PvP players.

So, well done on being overly representative.

Shabooey

To be clear, I've not played a PvE MMORPG for over a decade. My mindset is - if it has to be one or the other - that of a PvP player.

This you?

hleV

Noaani wrote: »

hleV wrote: »

Try to make sense next time.

I mean, being unable to understand basic comments is pretty typical for PvP players.

So, well done on being overly representative.

Nah, contextually your comment made no sense. I was getting at that PvEer's extreme POV of "everyone doing X is a griefer loser" and you replied with random nonsense about me playing MMOs with less than millions of players. Not only is that irrelevant, but you don't know what MMOs (what do you even consider MMOs?) I play so you're just spitting bullshit out of your ass.

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Fiddlez

Well best thing will be Alpha 2, if players can enjoy the game and avoid pvp minus the risk of Open World but the open world
is very safe then that will say everything.

I still think the penalties might be a bit too harsh but maybe not. We will see

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Aszkalon

Dustwall wrote: »

Everyone love chat on the pvpers how their games also dead i'm starting to find these posts unserious

People in general who always claim that a Game is dead,

especially when it inside a Game which is going strong despite People writing is is dead since a whole "DECADE" or above, are usually not being able to get taken serious anyway.

If everytime i saw someone in for Example World of WoW-Token Craft write in the Trading Chat, that the Game is dead,

i would get ONE Gold-Coin -> then i would probably have gotten +50K to +100K Gold Coins alone from that.

Noaani

hleV wrote: »

I was getting at that PvEer's extreme POV of "everyone doing X is a griefer loser" and you replied with random nonsense about me playing MMOs with less than millions of players.

Yes I did, and you didn't get it - hence by second comment.

You thinking a comment is nonsense doesn't mean it is - it often just means you didn't get it. If you are a PvP player, it is probably more often the second of the above.

hleV

You thinking you make sense doesn't mean you are. Am I doing this right? Boy that's gonna win me so many arguments!

Either participate in the discussion like a normal fucking person or leave it be.

I've already elaborated why your "basic comment" makes no sense in the context of me getting at someone's extreme POV of "everyone doing X is a griefer loser" (an objectively false statement). If all you have to say to that is "yOu jUsT dOn'T gEt iT" then you just lose the argument by default.

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chibibree

Fantmx wrote: »

AOC is game with PVP. I think everyone agrees on that.

Main Point is this, stop focusing on if this game is PVP or PVE

It's hard to not focus on one or the other when all of the systems are tied to one or the other or both. I would argue that focusing on making sure there is a balance between PvP and PvE in a way that this is a true PvX is one of the most important things we can do to help ensure it's success.

This

Fiddlez

For context....everyone thought WoW was too cartoonish, would be DOA and Eq2 was the game to beat.

Moral is people don't know jackshit. Emotionally charged comments which have no home in logic is the majority.

nanfoodle

I'm not sure how people still don't know what flavour of MMO this is? I can't count the number of people that are confused about Ashes being PvX.

Noaani

hleV wrote: »

You thinking you make sense doesn't mean you are. Am I doing this right? Boy that's gonna win me so many arguments!

Either participate in the discussion like a normal fucking person or leave it be.

I've already elaborated why your "basic comment" makes no sense in the context of me getting at someone's extreme POV of "everyone doing X is a griefer loser" (an objectively false statement). If all you have to say to that is "yOu jUsT dOn'T gEt iT" then you just lose the argument by default.

Hey, it's not my fault you don't get it.

Also, I did participate in this discussion - last year.

Aszkalon

nanfoodle wrote: »

I can't count the number of people that are confused about Ashes being PvX.

Am i accusing others of things like ill Will or childish Behaviour,

when i say that most of these People don't " WANT " to get it ??
That they have some weirdly twisted Hopes ?

That Ashes will be just like the Games they once loved to play ?
Well i know that People like the ArcheAge Players will greatly get their Money's worth. ^.^

But otherwise,
i CAN'T. WAIT. for a refreshing change of Pace from this Disappointment of a (B)Lizzard Cashcow, that is World of WoW-Token Craft. I can't wait to see a MMO succeed where Guildwars Two failed. Or New World. Or pretty much any other MMO Games with a comparable Setting.

Thanks Sir Steven and all the other Gods below him. (*grin*) and there is nothing that either shitty, little Activision of that steaming Pile of Dung named "EA" can do against it.

hleV

Noaani wrote: »

Hey, it's not my fault you don't get it.

Don't worry, nobody's blaming you, just make sure to keep taking your pills.

Azherae

nanfoodle wrote: »

I'm not sure how people still don't know what flavour of MMO this is? I can't count the number of people that are confused about Ashes being PvX.

I definitely have the tools to count them, so just point me at them and I'll do it.

I generally only hang around here, when it comes to Ashes, so I don't see them.

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