Bunny hopping

Let's add a stamina cost to Jump and help keep the game prettier

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Taerrik wrote: »

Does it look ridiculous? Absolutely, its immersion breaking even.

Will I do it anyway so I can have an edge over people that cant keep up with movement? Yup

Should it be removed? Also yup, but I will use it until its gone.

its not immersion breaking. what if I'm rping a character that likes to jump when shooting stuff...or a very acrobatic character.

Sathrago

lets remove the idea that its immersion breaking or theres an rp reason or some other crap. Do you really want to be stuck in a spot like a crevasse or maybe you fell into a cluster of rocks, and you have to wait for stamina to hopefully spam jump out?

Come on, this is silly. leave spam jumping alone.

Edit: This change would also most likely make climbing feel like crap assuming jumping and traversing terrain are one and the same. instead of just climbing the terrain you get to have "fun" standing there every few seconds waiting for stamina.

Ruerik

Sathrago wrote: »

lets remove the idea that its immersion breaking or theres an rp reason or some other crap. Do you really want to be stuck in a spot like a crevasse or maybe you fell into a cluster of rocks, and you have to wait for stamina to hopefully spam jump out?

Come on, this is silly. leave spam jumping alone.

Edit: This change would also most likely make climbing feel like crap assuming jumping and traversing terrain are one and the same. instead of just climbing the terrain you get to have "fun" standing there every few seconds waiting for stamina.

Jumping is fine, great, and expected in a rpg to be able to do.
Spam jumping while swinging a heavy 2h sword is ridiculous. More so when you can, what looks to me from the video be able to change direction mid air while moving around, in combat while being hit.

I don't even care if there is just a graphically different movement displayed besides the hopping that gives the same movement bonus. this is entirely about looks and the hops are awful.

Remember they changed melee combat in A1 because of how most testers felt the lack of impact.

Aszkalon

George_Black wrote: »

Bunny hopping

In Sea of Thieves - i call it MONKEY jumping !!

And G~OOOOOOOOOOOOOSH is it ugly.

I can understand your wish to limit jumping around. The Idea that it drains Stamina bit by bit every single time is not wrong. The Question is how quick it should prevent People from jumping around.

George_Black

Aszkalon wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Bunny hopping

In Sea of Thieves - i call it MONKEY jumping !!

And G~OOOOOOOOOOOOOSH is it ugly. .

I can understand your wish to limit jumping around. The Idea that it drains Stamina bit by bit every single time is not wrong. The Question is how quick it should prevent People from jumping around.

As soon as people see the slightest disadvantage they will stop this pointless spam.
It's just a bad habit from irrelevant games to AoCs genre and combat design.

Jwscoot

This issue with the bunny hop is it does provide in game advantage. It makes it harder to single a player out in a crowd that you want to focus. It makes it easier to rotate your camera in game while keeping your same directional momentum. It makes your movements less predictable and in some cases disguises animations that would otherwise be telegraphed.

Anyone on here saying they jump spam for no reason is flat out lying. I have been a top level end game pvp player in 4 different MMO's over 20 years. Players do immersion breaking things when ever there is an advantage to it. This will always be the case.

Shut that bunny shiit down and drink the tears of anyone who complains. The game will be better for it.

CROW3

Curious to see how this tests in A2. I agree with the spirit of @George_Black’s point though. Bunny hopping and diving animations are annoying in aimed combat.

Liniker

jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

CROW3

Liniker wrote: »

jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

Not about being pretty at all. It's about attacks hitting your target. Same cheap dodges in FPS. I jump all the time in mmos, but I don't think incessantly jumping should prevent your 5s cast major class attack from doing any damage.

Mag7spy

All mobility should be in the game, people do not want anything close to Throne and liberty. Regardless if its impactful or not. Modern games control is important, and the less static looking the combat the better.

George_Black

CROW3 wrote: »

Curious to see how this tests in A2. I agree with the spirit of @George_Black’s point though. Bunny hopping and diving animations are annoying in aimed combat.

In fps it's ok, it's a skill factor.
My only issue is how ridiculous characters look when it's being spammed.

Sathrago

CROW3 wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

Not about being pretty at all. It's about attacks hitting your target. Same cheap dodges in FPS. I jump all the time in mmos, but I don't think incessantly jumping should prevent your 5s cast major class attack from doing any damage.

I would have to see an example of that being the case. the only thing i can currently think of is basic shots from ranged weapons, and that might only be if projectiles work like you think they do. they could easily have a larger hit box for players or the projectiles that stop jumping from being an advantage save jumping off of high areas, and at that point the jump is irrelevant.

Garrtok

There is no reason to allow constant jumping. It's immersion breaking.

Mag7spy

Some people here need to realize they are playing a game, then using the default you don't like something so you say "immersion breaking".

If i can't spam jump like irl than its immersion breaking to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfSIqKSiguc

Sathrago

Garrtok wrote: »

There is no reason to allow constant jumping. It's immersion breaking.

parkour, hurdle jumping, jumping jacks, they all called and want to know where you live that jumping is a strange concept.

nanfoodle

My wife is disabled and bunny hopping bring her so much joy as that's how she would move in RL if she could. We often log in to just bunny hop when she is having a bad day. So, leave the bunny hopping. 😂🤗

Legi

I think bunny hopping in combat should cost stamina or have any other downside. Else you wont see (m)any people using the action targeting. I mean we still have to play it, but that would be my take on it. Outside of combat I couldnt care less tbh.

Depraved

Legi wrote: »

I think bunny hopping in combat should cost stamina or have any other downside. Else you wont see (m)any people using the action targeting. I mean we still have to play it, but that would be my take on it. Outside of combat I couldnt care less tbh.

you can still hit people who bunny hop with action combat. the skills can just have a vertical (invisible if you want) hitbox instead of just horizontal

CROW3

Sathrago wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

Not about being pretty at all. It's about attacks hitting your target. Same cheap dodges in FPS. I jump all the time in mmos, but I don't think incessantly jumping should prevent your 5s cast major class attack from doing any damage.

I would have to see an example of that being the case. the only thing i can currently think of is basic shots from ranged weapons, and that might only be if projectiles work like you think they do. they could easily have a larger hit box for players or the projectiles that stop jumping from being an advantage save jumping off of high areas, and at that point the jump is irrelevant.

Agreed on both points.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

I won't lie, I'm not that much into immersion, but if I was watching some fool bounce around like we're in a FPS shooter in a MMO is silly, try to hop up in down in armor. I have grown used to it though, doesn't mean I have to like it.

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