Inertia for Mounts

I've noticed that mounts can stop on a dime and instantly snap to face any direction, regardless of their size or speed. IMO mounts tend to feel much better when there's some inertia behind them, so stopping from a full gallop would make your horse skid briefly, and turning 180 degrees requires a short animation.

Besides feeling more believable, it also offers an opportunity to make mounts feel more distinctive by adjusting the values. Maybe a giant rabbit can get to its top speed faster than a horse, but can't turn quite as fast. Or maybe a floating mount could do things like strafe and move backward at full speed, at the cost of being more sluggish to stop and start.

Of course, this does mean you'd sacrifice some of the fine control you have while on foot, which I could see making some people dislike it. Jumping puzzles on horseback would probably be out of the question, and maneuvering in cities might become a chore with player collision factored in - though that would depend on how exactly it was tuned.

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Githal

I like the idea. Can make mounter targets that just start to run easier to kill/dismount. and already moving at max speed targets will be harder to catch, but if you manage to dismount them they may get stun effect from falling while moving at high speed.

Some of the bigger mounts like for example elephant can have for example half the max speed of a horse, and accelerate slower, but once at full speed it may crush enemies by its charge.

Faimith

Solmyr wrote: »

I've noticed that mounts can stop on a dime and instantly snap to face any direction, regardless of their size or speed. IMO mounts tend to feel much better when there's some inertia behind them, so stopping from a full gallop would make your horse skid briefly, and turning 180 degrees requires a short animation.

Besides feeling more believable, it also offers an opportunity to make mounts feel more distinctive by adjusting the values. Maybe a giant rabbit can get to its top speed faster than a horse, but can't turn quite as fast. Or maybe a floating mount could do things like strafe and move backward at full speed, at the cost of being more sluggish to stop and start.

Of course, this does mean you'd sacrifice some of the fine control you have while on foot, which I could see making some people dislike it. Jumping puzzles on horseback would probably be out of the question, and maneuvering in cities might become a chore with player collision factored in - though that would depend on how exactly it was tuned.

I love the idea of adding inertia to mounts in Ashes of Creation! It could be supported by a few systems:

- Mount Physics: Realistic physics for acceleration, deceleration, and turning.
- Mount Traits: Unique characteristics like weight and speed influencing inertia.
- Terrain Interaction: Different terrains affecting mount behavior.
- Combat Dynamics: Inertia adding strategic elements to mounted combat, such as momentum-based attacks and evasions.

These would add depth and realism to the game, enhancing the overall experience.

tautau

Good idea.
The higher the weight, the more the inertia. When trampling/ramming another player, the higher the weight then the higher the damage.

So, a large animal like an elephant will have a slower speed, longer stopping range but higher damage when running into another player. A small house may run faster but does less damage running over someone. Turning radius might also be impacted.

Perhaps the genetics system could also be relevant. When raising mounts, you might be able to breed in recessive traits so that a rare larger horse might also be bred for speed or quick stops.

Xeeg

tautau wrote: »

Good idea.
The higher the weight, the more the inertia.

Oh this would be cool. If a group is trying to body block a choke point, a big mount can run in and push them around or something.

Texas

Movement like that generally feels terrible when playing.

Githal

Texas wrote: »

Movement like that generally feels terrible when playing.

Well it wont be like in WOW where you dont lose any maneuverability compared to unmounted. But like everything there needs to have risk vs reward. The reward being higher move speed, maybe some kind of mounted combat, collision dmg, and the risk - less control over the movement.

Example for the inertia - "Horizon: zero down", Where the mount start off bit slow, then you can increase the speed as it moves and you cant make sharp turns while the mount is moving. Tho there the stopping is almost instant, and maybe depending on the weight of the mount the breaks should take some time.

Githal

Also smaller mounts (horses) may have jump ability, while bigger (elephant) may have small distance charge (increase speed) instead.

TheDarkSorcerer

For an RPG yes! For an MMO no

Summpwner

100%. Please Intrepid, steal mount-related stuff from GW2.

hleV

Player characters could use a tiny bit of inertia as well. Like, at least so that you'd slow down a bit for a second when turning 180 degrees.

Lash

I just want some kind of turn speed. The skating when turning looked really bad and makes mounted combat skills less interesting if you get full control.

arkileo

Mount inertia can be annoying when the environment has a lot of things to collide with, you tend to get hung up on things. It could disincentivize being mounted in confined spaces. Whether that's a good thing or not, dunno.

If there is inertia, hopefully it would be a small amount. In a game where people collide with each other, mounts being hard to control makes moving in mounted groups sound like a nightmare.

Endowed

arkileo wrote: »

Mount inertia can be annoying when the environment has a lot of things to collide with, you tend to get hung up on things. It could disincentivize being mounted in confined spaces. Whether that's a good thing or not, dunno.

If there is inertia, hopefully it would be a small amount. In a game where people collide with each other, mounts being hard to control makes moving in mounted groups sound like a nightmare.

Good reason to have mounts that handle bumping into things and some that don't.
Big point of emphasis for mules with packs over horses, horses will keep bumping into things with loads, mules adapt and avoid hitting stuff.

Would be nice if mounted had more to it than just increased character run speed/capacity.

George_Black

Agreed

Arya_Yeshe

Riding a dragon will feel like driving eight wheeler truck LOL, not against tough

I have been noticing that frequently people come and ask for stuff that belongs to a survival simulation game and not to a fantasy RPG, all these things also add a lot to the game scope.

I don't care about realistic and I hope the devs dont stress too much about this, but if they do something like this then it would be enough having a acceleration/deaceleration ratio to the mounts. If a mount can get full speed instantly then it would also be able to stop instantly.

Voeltz

There should 100% be inertia and slower turn speed on mounts, no instant 180° turning. Same with player characters, but more so with mounts obviously. The larger the mount the slower and less maneuvering they can do but at the same time are harder to move.

Diamaht

Solmyr wrote: »

I've noticed that mounts can stop on a dime and instantly snap to face any direction, regardless of their size or speed. IMO mounts tend to feel much better when there's some inertia behind them, so stopping from a full gallop would make your horse skid briefly, and turning 180 degrees requires a short animation.

Besides feeling more believable, it also offers an opportunity to make mounts feel more distinctive by adjusting the values. Maybe a giant rabbit can get to its top speed faster than a horse, but can't turn quite as fast. Or maybe a floating mount could do things like strafe and move backward at full speed, at the cost of being more sluggish to stop and start.

Of course, this does mean you'd sacrifice some of the fine control you have while on foot, which I could see making some people dislike it. Jumping puzzles on horseback would probably be out of the question, and maneuvering in cities might become a chore with player collision factored in - though that would depend on how exactly it was tuned.

Great idea! Guild Wars 2 actually had nice, subtle mount movement.

I wouldn't want full on physics or anything resembling that though.

abc0815

add turn rates for player chars too. Granted most player would say they hate it. 360 no-scop is boring

GrizzlyRed

Mounts maybe, although I still think it would be annoying. But I would hate player momentum being added. I want full control. It also would affect skills a lot more than you might think. I usually play a healer and not being able to instantly turn around, throw out an interrupt, quick heal, or stun, than turn back around to my main target would hurt a lot.

This would also severely hurt melee classes. In the past I used to main warriors, knights, and classes like that and you are constantly turning on a swivel to maximize your effectiveness. Not only that but you have to retreat a lot more than other classes and being able to turn on a dime is very important. Can you image a charge type skill, or a skill only useable from an enemies back how bad that would feel. Not to mention I think the visual with turning around would look bad in a combat situation with body collision.

I have played melee, support, and healer in several mmos and I can't see this feeling good with any of them types of playstyles. I mean even range dps which I have never played, how would you kite someone?

Smaashley

Just copy GW2's mount physics, they are the best. The feel real.

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