Time To Fill Bags?

What kind of range should we be looking at for Time to Fill Bags?

I understand that there will be different types of crafted bags, and it also depends on what you are picking up. But if you are going on a gathering run, how long should it take to fill your bags? Maybe a minimum range for a level <10 all the way to max range for level 50 decked out with best bags.

Keep in mind that this rate will be directly related to how loaded you want to fill a caravan up, because each caravan will represent "X" amount of gathering hours, and "Y" amount of runs". As "Y" gets smaller, caravans become less valuable than running the mats by foot.

Example:

It takes 1 hour to fill up your bags on the wood in your area. You get a call to bring 10 hours of wood to another node, 15m run by mount. You can run the caravan with 10 hours of loot (30m round trip), or you can just run by mount 10 times (5hr round trip).

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ExiledByrd

I think an hour makes sense from a PvP perspective as well. If I drop 20-30% of the mats I've farmed, that's about 10-20 minutes worth of work if my bags are packed to the brim. Quite likely it will be less than that.

But does this include the travel time from the city and back? Rare materials probably aren't going to be sitting a minute or two outside of the town, but further into the wilderness.

akabear

Although I think 1hr sounds about right, what if you spend:

20min to find a group
20min to get to a dungeon as a group
10-20min to get to the depths of that dungeon.
1hr to fill your bag
10-20min to fight your way back out (as no fast travel)
20 min to get back to town and unload.

If the invested time to get to and fro a destination is high, I think the time to fill your bag within that destination should also be proportionate to the effort involved! And in this example, albeit hypothetical, perhaps 1hr is on the short side!

Ludullu

akabear wrote: »

If the invested time to get to and fro a destination is high, I think the time to fill your bag within that destination should also be proportionate to the effort involved! And in this example, albeit hypothetical, perhaps 1hr is on the short side!

1h is for the casuals who'd never step into a dungeon, so their only travel time is slightly outside of the node.

Longer overall time is for constant parties in guilds, who'd be playing for longer than 1h a day.

Also, do you expect an entire party to fill all 8 of their bags in one hour? Cause I sure as hell hope that's not the case.

Laetitian

I think an important part of time-efficient inventory management that doesn't feel like a fun drain is clear information. Especially for simple items, the inventory should make it extremely easy to tell what you can do with items, and where you can do it (types of crafting stations and linked information on what types of locations they might exist in, etc.)

Some crafting purists might argue that they want the systems to be complex, so the game's mysteries can be uncovered step by step, and committed crafters can feel accomplished about knowing the best ways to manage their resources. That is all fine, but you can introduce that complexity for higher-tier items, or better yet only in the crafting menus themselves (So the difficulty isn't in figuring out *what* to do with an item, but *how* to do it in the right order, in the right proportions, to be efficient and successful).
For everything that a regular player can do with items to maximise their storage efficiency and regional market value, the expected rarity, general purpose, and general versatility of items should be extremely clearly and concisely communicated in item tool tips and icons/categories/colours.

Essentially, once you have a rudimentary understanding of items and crafting, you should be able to tell with a few short hovers whether you'd regret tossing or vendor-selling any items you've found, and roughly how much value you'll get from researching or processing it.
(You'd still have to decide where your priorities are between artisanship and direct wealth, so it's not like there would be no interesting min-maxing experimentation and math left).

FOMO is already a collective disorder to all gamers. Don't need to make it flare up every time they open their inventories and shops.

George_Black

Let's say 1-25 is early 25 to 35 is mid, 35-50 is mid to late game.

From 1 to 25 crafting shouldnt require a huge list of mats or complicated mats. In this case a player could go for a couple of days of class leveling without having to organize their inventory or empty it.

From 25 to 35 crafting should start becoming more complex and so more frequent visits to a storage should be required. Maybe 10h.

From 35 and up, crafted items should have a bigger list of required mats. Mobs should drop more upon their death. The groups should be more organized to tackle mobs that offer the best in both xp and loot.
I think all players should return to their base every 6h or so.

Now keep in mind that in PvP we'd drop portion of our raw mats. In the beginning I expect players to visit towns more often out of fear.
But as people get more organized and they start seeing the potentual of fun in PvP and this new form of gains from looting enemies in an mmo people will want to spend less time returning needlesly in a storage.

I'd also like to propose for remote zones in which organized players would camp for days. Places that are hard to reach and would be pretty eventful of your guilds aims to spent time in there.
Such pokets of areas should offer the best xp possible and the most rare and unique mats.
In order to prevent our inventories from filling, RNG should be harsh but still worth the time spend there for orginized and skilled mmo players.

The pure gathering bags could be a separate topic of discussion because there is more to it than just killing this mob and filling your inv with loot.
I'd like to see mules being a thing that mostly gatherers and their bodyguards use, as well as bandits, and not so much for adventurers looking for xp and loot, who would rather be more agile instead of worrying about mules.

Texas

NiKr wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

If the invested time to get to and fro a destination is high, I think the time to fill your bag within that destination should also be proportionate to the effort involved! And in this example, albeit hypothetical, perhaps 1hr is on the short side!

1h is for the casuals who'd never step into a dungeon, so their only travel time is slightly outside of the node.

Longer overall time is for constant parties in guilds, who'd be playing for longer than 1h a day.

Also, do you expect an entire party to fill all 8 of their bags in one hour? Cause I sure as hell hope that's not the case.

There are separate inventories for gathering professions and mob loot. I'm pretty sure the 1 hr duration is meant to be a player focusing on a gathering profession, say mining. They are saying it should take about 1 hr of focused mining to fill his mining bags.

The general inventory should take much longer to fill. And dungeoning to find rare mining node spawns would take longer.

xMrWoolf

im hoping resources are scarce. id prefer the market to not just be flooded with endless farm. some items like wood sure it makes sense to be able to farm it all day if your in a jungle and then transport it to a desert node or something like that. but some resources would be nice to not just have a static spawn and endless farming

Ludullu

Texas wrote: »

There are separate inventories for gathering professions and mob loot. I'm pretty sure the 1 hr duration is meant to be a player focusing on a gathering profession, say mining. They are saying it should take about 1 hr of focused mining to fill his mining bags.

The general inventory should take much longer to fill. And dungeoning to find rare mining node spawns would take longer.

And I'm against mob mats filling up much longer. Cause, as I said, it'll be the groups that farm said mobs, and groups have 8 inventories-worth of space. So if they wanna spend a ton of time in a dungeon - they're free to do so, as long as they distribute the loot equally.

If those same players are also gathering shit (as I expect them to do, cause spoiling mobs is a thing) - that's part of the dungeon's overall loot and should be included in the timings I talked about.

This is my personal preference and the feedback I'll be giving to Intrepid when we get to testing looting loops in A2.

Texas

xMrWoolf wrote: »

im hoping resources are scarce. id prefer the market to not just be flooded with endless farm. some items like wood sure it makes sense to be able to farm it all day if your in a jungle and then transport it to a desert node or something like that. but some resources would be nice to not just have a static spawn and endless farming

They keep saying SWG-like, but not exactly what that means. In SWG, every category (say Wood) had both a type (Oak wood) and were seeded by quality ([rare/blue] Oak Wood). Different areas offered differences in type. The likeliness of finding rareties within a type was based on both location and the player skill certification (crafting level).

Types were a horizontal category, so Oak Wood might make the Kaeler Staff while Willow makes the Dunir Staff. These not just cosmetic differences in SWG, but they were similar in power items for their quality. This might mean different attack speed or stats in Ashes.

Rarities were vertical. So [rare/blue] Oak Wood could make a [blue] Kaeler staff.

I said all that to say, that perhaps the optimal way to gather in AOC will be to have the best gathering skill, in the best biome for your material, in the highest node zone. You might be able to get lots of woods elsewhere, but that the [Epic Oak Wood] that is so valuable might only drop in a few locations which vary server-to-server and as nodes change.

chibibree

I agree with the 1 hour for casuals timeframe, specifically just outside the node. I think that makes a lot of sense.

I would also like to see some nice sorting options and search functions, especially for inventories

I really liked this thread and we chatted about it on our podcast so I wanted to include that clip here:

https://youtu.be/ch0LaNKX6Ds?si=Sh_ZgOHw5uKk8eIv

Dygz

Behague wrote: »

Where can we unload our bags, when there are no nodes developed? Are we going to be running around overencumbered until an expedition procs?

Yep. I mean... Nodes appear quite quickly, so... it's really only an issue for the Headstart servers.

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