Hinotori wrote: » I don't think it's ever going to happen. The exclusivity of preorder packs (even if it is just swapping them) is something that just can't be walked back without harming the reputation of Steven and Intrepid And doing so would cause a loss of faith, because if they renege on this point what stops them from going back on others?
Dygz wrote: » Venar wrote: » Do you guys think it would be cool if intrepid gave us a 1 Time use token to exchange our cosmetic package with another one since they are the same value? I'm personally a big transmog fan and the appearance of my character is really important for me and there's nothing that takes me out of the game more then seeing the perfect armor set for my character on another player, googling the set and noticing that ill never be able to get it ever again. Considering the price we paid I feel like it would be nice to have a package we want instead of one we got because of circumstances. Chicago wrote: » Cool idea but then it would definitely devalue the cosmetics for everyone that bought it when it was available and make it less rare, The game has not released mate and there will be a ton more that will fit you in the future, not to mention the in game cosmetics are suppose to be even better so don't stress you will find something that matches your playstyle I dunno how a 1 time token to swap a set of Cosmetics devalues all the other Cosmetics and makes them less rare. I would definitely be willing to trade in all of my Mount Cosmetics for one Stufferton.
Venar wrote: » Do you guys think it would be cool if intrepid gave us a 1 Time use token to exchange our cosmetic package with another one since they are the same value? I'm personally a big transmog fan and the appearance of my character is really important for me and there's nothing that takes me out of the game more then seeing the perfect armor set for my character on another player, googling the set and noticing that ill never be able to get it ever again. Considering the price we paid I feel like it would be nice to have a package we want instead of one we got because of circumstances.
Chicago wrote: » Cool idea but then it would definitely devalue the cosmetics for everyone that bought it when it was available and make it less rare, The game has not released mate and there will be a ton more that will fit you in the future, not to mention the in game cosmetics are suppose to be even better so don't stress you will find something that matches your playstyle
Chicago wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Venar wrote: » Do you guys think it would be cool if intrepid gave us a 1 Time use token to exchange our cosmetic package with another one since they are the same value? I'm personally a big transmog fan and the appearance of my character is really important for me and there's nothing that takes me out of the game more then seeing the perfect armor set for my character on another player, googling the set and noticing that ill never be able to get it ever again. Considering the price we paid I feel like it would be nice to have a package we want instead of one we got because of circumstances. Chicago wrote: » Cool idea but then it would definitely devalue the cosmetics for everyone that bought it when it was available and make it less rare, The game has not released mate and there will be a ton more that will fit you in the future, not to mention the in game cosmetics are suppose to be even better so don't stress you will find something that matches your playstyle I dunno how a 1 time token to swap a set of Cosmetics devalues all the other Cosmetics and makes them less rare. I would definitely be willing to trade in all of my Mount Cosmetics for one Stufferton. I am sure you are just trolling at this point, but for humourous sake I'll explain it to you, Everyone would be willing to trade one of the cosmetics in for something that was available maybe 3 years prior, seeing as they were monthly packs, 3 years prior only a handful of people were actually buying these packs Now you allow people to trade packs from 2022,2023 for packs sold in 2018, we have probably 30x the amount of people with access to the newish packs, the newish ones although still rare are nowhere near as rare as something sold during the Kickstarter or shortly after. There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso
Venar wrote: » Hinotori wrote: » I don't think it's ever going to happen. The exclusivity of preorder packs (even if it is just swapping them) is something that just can't be walked back without harming the reputation of Steven and Intrepid And doing so would cause a loss of faith, because if they renege on this point what stops them from going back on others? They already have, they're going to sell alpha 2 access again without any cosmetics despite that not being an option before... im all for new players/testers but if these new people now have the option to have access to the game I feel like it would only be fair to have the options for older packs again.(assuming you already are a supporter) Chicago wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Venar wrote: » Do you guys think it would be cool if intrepid gave us a 1 Time use token to exchange our cosmetic package with another one since they are the same value? I'm personally a big transmog fan and the appearance of my character is really important for me and there's nothing that takes me out of the game more then seeing the perfect armor set for my character on another player, googling the set and noticing that ill never be able to get it ever again. Considering the price we paid I feel like it would be nice to have a package we want instead of one we got because of circumstances. Chicago wrote: » Cool idea but then it would definitely devalue the cosmetics for everyone that bought it when it was available and make it less rare, The game has not released mate and there will be a ton more that will fit you in the future, not to mention the in game cosmetics are suppose to be even better so don't stress you will find something that matches your playstyle I dunno how a 1 time token to swap a set of Cosmetics devalues all the other Cosmetics and makes them less rare. I would definitely be willing to trade in all of my Mount Cosmetics for one Stufferton. I am sure you are just trolling at this point, but for humourous sake I'll explain it to you, Everyone would be willing to trade one of the cosmetics in for something that was available maybe 3 years prior, seeing as they were monthly packs, 3 years prior only a handful of people were actually buying these packs Now you allow people to trade packs from 2022,2023 for packs sold in 2018, we have probably 30x the amount of people with access to the newish packs, the newish ones although still rare are nowhere near as rare as something sold during the Kickstarter or shortly after. There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso Well also the reason the ORIGINAL art piece sells for so much is because they can never be reproduced and most are unique, this is not the case with skins that anyone could have bought at any time. Theres could be hundreds of Black Scale Imperator the same way that I can take any piece of picasso and put it as my desktop background. Whats the difference between 100 and 200 people having a skin, there isnt a pack that is 100% unique and they all share the same monetary value where as picasso pieces dont. They also all share the same customer base (Early supporters) where as any rich person could buy a picasso piece for fun. I believe anyone who has the money deserves an Alpha 2 key, I also believe anyone who bought a Voyager pack deserves to have the cosmetic pack they like. You buying it at the right place on the time doesn't make you a better or more deserving customer, we've all contributed the same amount.
Chicago wrote: » Everyone would be willing to trade one of the cosmetics in for something that was available maybe 3 years prior, seeing as they were monthly packs, 3 years prior only a handful of people were actually buying these packs
Chicago wrote: » Now you allow people to trade packs from 2022,2023 for packs sold in 2018, we have probably 30x the amount of people with access to the newish packs, the newish ones although still rare are nowhere near as rare as something sold during the Kickstarter or shortly after.
Chicago wrote: » There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso
Chicago wrote: » This doesn't just go for skins but some examples I'll use are, look at classic wow vs retail wow, in classic when you saw someone standing in a city in full bis gear you aspired to be like them, even if it was never realistically obtainable, in retail everyone has the same flashy gear and looks like their a dragon ball z character on steroids.
Dygz wrote: » Chicago wrote: » There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso I am sure you are just trolling at this point.
Venar wrote: » They already have, they're going to sell alpha 2 access again without any cosmetics despite that not being an option before... im all for new players/testers but if these new people now have the option to have access to the game I feel like it would only be fair to have the options for older packs again.(assuming you already are a supporter)
Chicago wrote: » Venar wrote: » Hinotori wrote: » I don't think it's ever going to happen. The exclusivity of preorder packs (even if it is just swapping them) is something that just can't be walked back without harming the reputation of Steven and Intrepid And doing so would cause a loss of faith, because if they renege on this point what stops them from going back on others? They already have, they're going to sell alpha 2 access again without any cosmetics despite that not being an option before... im all for new players/testers but if these new people now have the option to have access to the game I feel like it would only be fair to have the options for older packs again.(assuming you already are a supporter) Chicago wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Venar wrote: » Do you guys think it would be cool if intrepid gave us a 1 Time use token to exchange our cosmetic package with another one since they are the same value? I'm personally a big transmog fan and the appearance of my character is really important for me and there's nothing that takes me out of the game more then seeing the perfect armor set for my character on another player, googling the set and noticing that ill never be able to get it ever again. Considering the price we paid I feel like it would be nice to have a package we want instead of one we got because of circumstances. Chicago wrote: » Cool idea but then it would definitely devalue the cosmetics for everyone that bought it when it was available and make it less rare, The game has not released mate and there will be a ton more that will fit you in the future, not to mention the in game cosmetics are suppose to be even better so don't stress you will find something that matches your playstyle I dunno how a 1 time token to swap a set of Cosmetics devalues all the other Cosmetics and makes them less rare. I would definitely be willing to trade in all of my Mount Cosmetics for one Stufferton. I am sure you are just trolling at this point, but for humourous sake I'll explain it to you, Everyone would be willing to trade one of the cosmetics in for something that was available maybe 3 years prior, seeing as they were monthly packs, 3 years prior only a handful of people were actually buying these packs Now you allow people to trade packs from 2022,2023 for packs sold in 2018, we have probably 30x the amount of people with access to the newish packs, the newish ones although still rare are nowhere near as rare as something sold during the Kickstarter or shortly after. There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso Well also the reason the ORIGINAL art piece sells for so much is because they can never be reproduced and most are unique, this is not the case with skins that anyone could have bought at any time. Theres could be hundreds of Black Scale Imperator the same way that I can take any piece of picasso and put it as my desktop background. Whats the difference between 100 and 200 people having a skin, there isnt a pack that is 100% unique and they all share the same monetary value where as picasso pieces dont. They also all share the same customer base (Early supporters) where as any rich person could buy a picasso piece for fun. I believe anyone who has the money deserves an Alpha 2 key, I also believe anyone who bought a Voyager pack deserves to have the cosmetic pack they like. You buying it at the right place on the time doesn't make you a better or more deserving customer, we've all contributed the same amount. I mean I understand your point but I disagree, I can't speak for everyone here but I can almost guarantee most of us feel MMOs started going wrong when every single person had to have every single item, This doesn't just go for skins but some examples I'll use are, look at classic wow vs retail wow, in classic when you saw someone standing in a city in full bis gear you aspired to be like them, even if it was never realistically obtainable, in retail everyone has the same flashy gear and looks like their a dragon ball z character on steroids This goes for pve/PvP too, retail PvP feels bad because every single class has the same abilities, mobility, CC , defensives, there is no variety. I understand that the examples given are different than a one time offer that is now in obtainable but if everyone had everything it would just make them lackluster, There are plenty of packs that I wish I could have bought but unfortunately I didn't find the game till later during the development cycle, that does not mean I think I deserve the packs, and I can't wait to see the lucky ones in game that got them, but what it does mean is I'll be watching in the future for more items that may be. A limited time offer that I can aquire My last point is you stated you believe anyone that has the money Deserves an alpha 2 key? I don't see how, we may be more fortunate but we don't deserve it anymore than someone that can't afford the alpha keys, if I would have it my way they would all be affordable for everyone to participate, however I understand that it's not a finished game we are buying. You also state we have all contributed the same amount, this is also false when I'm guessing the packs you want are from a time period when an alpha 2 pack wouldn't even get you the cosmetics option you had to buy the alpha 1 or higher, which was quite a bit more iirc
Hinotori wrote: » Venar wrote: » They already have, they're going to sell alpha 2 access again without any cosmetics despite that not being an option before... im all for new players/testers but if these new people now have the option to have access to the game I feel like it would only be fair to have the options for older packs again.(assuming you already are a supporter) Access has never been exclusive. The FAQ on the last pack and all their press releases said they would likely bring access back at some point in the future on the final cosmetic pack and in the lead up to it it was stated by Margaret many times on live stream. The cosmetic packs however ARE exclusive. And we've been repeatedly told they are never ever coming back.
Dolyem wrote: » Nah, it'd be dishonest to what they've already established and advertised. That's a bad look. And to answer the "devalue" argument objectively. The very fact that you desire cosmetics that are no longer available to you and owned by other players gives those items value.
Venar wrote: » Dolyem wrote: » Nah, it'd be dishonest to what they've already established and advertised. That's a bad look. And to answer the "devalue" argument objectively. The very fact that you desire cosmetics that are no longer available to you and owned by other players gives those items value. They changed the formula for Keys I don't see why they couldn't. If they made the modern packs available to older early adopter I wouldn't be mad. True it creates an artificial value that doesn't feel good for most people, Some older adopter might have wanted a more modern pack too There's a reason everyone hates scalpers they abuse of that first come first served mentality and while it makes sense in a limited/physical supply market, This mentality makes less sense when its a few digital lines in a database that could be that could be changed for a few queries. we've already established that New players who wants to get into the Alpha 2 deserves to do so even if they missed out... Why not allow those who bought cosmetic packs to exchange them for another in order to have a pack they like and are going to use for years to come instead of dissatisfied people not wearing a costume they don't like out of a circumstance. there's already quite a lot of friction when games provide 1 Pre-order package, Intrepid made like 25-40 of them. Do we really need more friction and toxicity for pre-order packages that are all worth the same monetary value? At this point I feel like this conversation wont evolve much but I loved everyone's feedback even If i might not agree with some of y'all so i'll stop following the thread. I hope intrepid takes some time to look at this thread and weigh both sides of the argument in order to make the right decision whatever it might be and I cant wait to see you all in Verra! Have fun and stay healthy!
Hinotori wrote: » I don't think it's ever going to happen.
Otr wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Chicago wrote: » There is a good reason that art such as a picasso or a van gogh, or a dahli all sell for so much, it's not because their really exceptional paintings it's because you can't replicate the time period they were from, and I'm sure given the chance anyone would trade something from today's age for a picasso I am sure you are just trolling at this point. Is he trolling with this part? I was reading that some very skilled people created things as if were made by some famous old artists. Those works would be less valuable if the truth would be known. Also I find Mona Lisa ugly. I don't know why there is so much hype about that painting.
Dripyula wrote: » Dolyem wrote: » Nah, it'd be dishonest to what they've already established and advertised. That's a bad look. And to answer the "devalue" argument objectively. The very fact that you desire cosmetics that are no longer available to you and owned by other players gives those items value. Yeah... the value of depression and the feeling of being treated like a lesser human being. I know it comes to a shock to some people in this world and they may not even understand it in their entire life, not even if a certain type of symptom can be experienced by them for +80 years or so. But respect... cannot be forced. It cannot be triggered, activated, or commanded. This is something that builds slowly and naturally. And no superficial look will ever be able to invoke this. Even naturally beautiful people IRL start to look super, mega, giga ugly if they just talk enough bs. And that is a very good thing.
Chicago wrote: » Realistically they just need to make the new cosmetics as good as the old ones, it's no secret that over the years the cosmetics sort of went down hill, but there will be better ones in game I am sure
Aszkalon wrote: » Hinotori wrote: » I don't think it's ever going to happen. Makes Sense. But You know what the most " f~ed up " fact about all of this is ? About 2018-Cosmetics and the likes ?That some to "MANY" People who pre-ordered that 2018 Stuff, are now dead. Because "something" came around the Corner, from People who "constantly dream and slobber over" the Fantasy and Idea, that a World with "LESS PEOPLE" inside it, would be a good thing, and then a "Vaccination" for this "something" - came around the Corner, too. "and then" some People dropped dead "without Warning" suddenly, someday, sometime. " It was Magic ", i tell you. And with this, i end already what i wanted to say. In fact, by saying the bare Minimum i already said to much in a way. This is not a so called "political Forum" - and Nobody will appreciate that i don't trust Anyone who thinks they rule and "OWN" Humankind all around our beautiful Planet. . Fact is : some People have no longer have enough of a Pulse, trying to "profit" from buying the Cosmetics around 2016, 2017, 2018 or when the first of them were around. And the remaining Rest of us will never "see" these Cosmetics. Or we will see them on a few, VERY rarely strewn People - who then "Wonder oh Wonder", will probably find their Way then onto the Blocklists to some to many People. Like with the "Black Qiraji Battle Tank"-Mount around the Time of WoW Vanilla. I only saw "ONE" Person around on my Server back then. And i wondered like an Idiot why he was blocked by most People on the Server. Then i found out about the whole Story regarding that Mount. And i was only like : " Oh ... ... " Like the " Oh ... ... " - from John Wick. (hahahahahahahahahahaah)
