Sengarden wrote: » This whole exclusivity conversation is missing a HUGE point... Alpha 2 is not the game. It's not even really a "game" at all in the traditional sense. We'll most likely be testing a bunch of unfinished systems that don't even have all of their supporting systems fleshed out yet - the eventual wholistic function of which are supposed to make the whole world function properly and feel truly "fun". The main focus of an alpha test is on testing systems and giving feedback, not "winning the game." This is why most companies do hired testing as much as possible, because those people actually understand the task at hand and do their jobs. If y'all were in the right mindset about participating in the A2 testing and feedback process from the get-go, you wouldn't even be talking about this stuff. You paid money to support the development of a game before the alpha phase was even over, and Intrepid got the money. Good on you. I'm sure they appreciated the support. Now, as a "reward" for spending $250 dollars, you get to do something most companies pay people to do. Test a highly unfinished game state and give intelligible, meaningful, well-constructed feedback. Not "play a game that you paid for". That's absolutely so, so far from the experience of participating in an alpha test, and neither Steven nor anyone else from Intrepid painted the experience any other way, as far as I can remember. If you impatiently fantasized about A2 being "early access" to Ashes of Creation, then I'm sorry, but you're sorely mistaken, and it's your own fault. It doesn't matter how much you paid, and it doesn't matter when they ended up releasing the option to buy A2 access on its own. You bought a bundle of products and an experience that you thought was worth the cost at the time. To be very clear, A2 access was not one of the products. The cosmetics, $90 of pre-paid game time, and the $100 worth of cosmetic shop currency were the products. The experience you paid for was testing A2. It's not a product. You don't own it. They can wipe your files at any time, and they'll obviously get wiped before the actual game releases. You paid for the experience of doing a job most people get paid to do. Congratulations. Now, guess what? Something happened that Intrepid couldn't feasibly anticipate with complete accuracy. The servers are more capable now, so they need more testers. A lot more. They already did an entire month or something of open sales for the last Voyager pack, so I think it's safe to say that they've gotten all the people willing to pay $250 by now that they can. They now need to offer the experience to a wider market. Charging as much as they did last time, even with all the extra stuff from before thrown in, won't get them the numbers they need. They need to lower the cost to fulfill their demand, especially now that they're less than three months from the start of A2, and you're all sitting here suggesting they waste their own time for months without a full testing pool just so you can play pretend that you're in the AoC early access? Really?
Mag7spy wrote: » Crazy that some of the .0000001% is trying to gatekeep. This is exactly why keys need to be opened up, some of these people can't be trusted imo.
Friss wrote: » I heard a lot of talk about a2 keys being cheaper than normal. i personally believe this is a horrible idea. 1 you mess up with people who purchased it before. just release the a2 packs for sale again, for the people who missed them. no need to punish the people who bough them early. and no need to cater to people who bought them late. release them full price. and it's the only way to go. or you could make them cheaper and make a bunch of A2 buyers very upset. Or you could make them same price but without skins and make new players upset. but if you release them same price as before same pack....no issues. thoughts? personally. if we cater to people that are late now.... we'll expect this in the future as well and maybe even hope to take advantage of it. what do you guys think?
Dygz wrote: » Steven also confirmed Ashes would release before 2020.
Liniker wrote: » Torstein wrote: » Couldn't disagree more, but maybe this was a low quality bait and I fell for it? whats low-quality bait is thinking the large audience is going to think its ok for a developer to sell alpha access for 250$, announce for over 4 months the sales are closing while having a 90 day refund policy, and reopen alpha sales for cheaper just a few months later. If you think its all good, you likely couldn't care less about Ashes and Intrepid, because if that were to happen, the moment it gets picked by the media and big streamers we will have a shitstorm hitting the game in one of its most important development phases which is A2, hurting its reputation A LOT. I couldn't care less about the price or if they sell it or not, I have spent thousands to support this game and will continue to do so, I only care about this project's health and image, as a creator myself, I'm voicing my concerns before its too late.
Torstein wrote: » Couldn't disagree more, but maybe this was a low quality bait and I fell for it?
Torstein wrote: » Aged like milk.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Torstein wrote: » Aged like milk. In what way? Everything he said there came true. And yes, selling FULL BUNDLES now, after the 90-day-refund is gone, is definitely close to a scam. Like, I'd 100% refund my B2 bundle and then buy the $100 one, because it would give me both betas. And I'd still be supporting the game with more money than I have so far, so it's not like I'm taking money away from Intrepid. Hell, they'd even get more money from me on release, because my prepurchased months would turn into only 1 month. And the only reason we haven't heard from more people on this particular part of "being fucked over" is cause all the other parts of the whole situation seem even worse to way more people.
Torstein wrote: » You're kidding right?
GoodSheperd wrote: » StickyRubb wrote: » Bring as many people as possible into A2! then why not make it ftp .... all i would ask as a og backer is to get access before hand .... A1 was 3 years ago ... i bought 250$ access to get involved with the developement ... i was eager to fall through the map, clip through walls, try to find duping glitches and whatever else ... document everything and help them ... now i learn there are already 150k+ A2 keys sold ... they DIDNT launch ANY test enviroment yet to get those people involved ... and they say they need MORE testers ??!?!?!?!?!At that point this is a SCAM ... they dont even know if they can host servers to get 150k+ people yet .... IF THERE WILL BE QUEUES I WILL BE PISSED AF ... bc i will be in the same queue with people who payed half the price ... and intrepid obviously thinks they have server tech that easy can hold all those people no problem .... who freaking believes that they start with lets say 250k+ people bc of the new sales and dont fuck up the servers ????!?!??!?! even amazon WHO FREAKING OWN THE SERVERS DID FUCK UP.. and Intrepid made me wait till practicly everybody got access anyway for wayyyy less money .... THE MAIN selling point was to get involved earlier than others ,.... NOW you pay 25$ and upgrade from your beta key ?????? wth ... i would have never baught A2 pack for 250$ if i knew they would make we wait until literally EVERYBODY ELSE IF they wanna HONOR the 250$ pack holders ... they need to give us access earlier than others who didnt take the risk in that early stage .... if you buy a key now you have very low risk bc of people like me ... i want to be rewarded and HONORED to have taken the risk to fund a pipedream .... i put down the cash to be in earlier than others .... and get a different treatment than the ones with the beta keys .... earlier in then others who buy in later BC i EARNED IT BY TAKING THE RISK...YOU CAN ONLY BUY A KEY NOW BC OF ME AND OTHERS WHO BACKED THIS if you want as many people as possible ... just make it ftp lol .... what a joke .. .you cant sell the game access in 250$ bundles and then BEFORE GIVING ANYONE ACCESS sell it again for less ... THATS SHADY give US access now months before other people who didnt take the risk and i shut up ... anything else is a slap in the face ...
StickyRubb wrote: » Bring as many people as possible into A2!
