Battlepass in MMOs

State your opinion, I'll start with mine

They're dumb they are meant for repetitive games like shooters, they give you something to do in a games that are arena pvp weather it be a MOBA or Shooter. MMOs are supposed to keep you busy. adding chores on top of that for things I should just be able to work for tends to leave a bad taste in mouth.

Also the monetization of it is kind of dumb as well. FFXIV and WoW have raked in large amounts of money just doing cosmetics on the shop, do that without the predatory fear of missing out.

One other argument for me was when I was playing NW I wanted to support the game, I bought up dyes and emotes and spent more money on that game then I have any other game as far as cosmetics, I supported it because it was simple and clean way for them to make extra money. I stopped giving them my money after they started doing the battlepass. It even made me not care about collecting all the emotes anymore. It wasn't even to protest, I just stopped caring.

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Solbranthius

I'm not a fan of them unless there's a promise that whatever is available through them will be cycled back in the future for players who missed them the first time to acquire.

I like collecting things in the games that I play, though between real life responsibilities and devoting time to other games that catch my eye, it becomes too exhausting and expensive to try and keep up with any game that has a battlepass.

In turn, that just encourages me to give up on it. Yes, they're 'optional' cosmetics but that in itself is deceptive, as cosmetics are largely the main thing to aim for in many games.

Dygz

More expensive to "keep up" with stuff in the Cosmetics Store.

And, yes, it really depends on how the Battlepass is designed.
Older BPs had tons of FOMO. Modern BPs do not.
The Cosmetics for modern BPs are typically around for at least 3 months - with plenty of time to acquire the items you want. And the Tasks include plenty of stuff you'd want to do in the game anyways.

Ayeveegaming1

Just remember, I do not think anything will be soulbound. I believe most everything can be lootable and taken in pvp or traded. There might be a couple of exceptions, but not many.

Ludullu

Ravicus wrote: »

Just remember, I do not think anything will be soulbound. I believe most everything can be lootable and taken in pvp or traded. There might be a couple of exceptions, but not many.

I'd expect any and all cosmetics to be at least account-bound. Losing your irl money by dying in game would be the last thing Intrepid would want as part of their design

Ayeveegaming1

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

Just remember, I do not think anything will be soulbound. I believe most everything can be lootable and taken in pvp or traded. There might be a couple of exceptions, but not many.

I'd expect any and all cosmetics to be at least account-bound. Losing your irl money by dying in game would be the last thing Intrepid would want as part of their design

I guess we will find out. This is taken from the Wiki:
Gear binding
There may be some gear binding (BoE or BoP) but it will be an exception rather than the rule, as this doesn't facilitate the objectives for the economy.[5]
Very little gear will be account bound or soulbound in Ashes of Creation.[9][10]
The game economy is based around crafting and degradation of items.[9]
Gear is obtained via crafting, gathering and processing along with raid and dungeon bosses.[10]

A lot of what we experienced in games that usually come before us is that many things are account bound and they're soulbound to your character... Instead very little here is character bound. Very very little. The vast majority of gear- yes you will get quest related gear as rewards- but it won't be let's say one set in one dungeon and you must run the dungeon over and over. Instead we want to really emphasize the reliance on the economy and crafters and gatherers and processors to support a majority of the gear structure in-game, combined with that of world raid bosses and dungeon bosses; not a repetitive quest line through a single dungeon.[10] – Steven Sharif
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bound_items

Ayeveegaming1

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

Just remember, I do not think anything will be soulbound. I believe most everything can be lootable and taken in pvp or traded. There might be a couple of exceptions, but not many.

I'd expect any and all cosmetics to be at least account-bound. Losing your irl money by dying in game would be the last thing Intrepid would want as part of their design

but then again, on the same page, it says this lol:
Cosmetic items

All cosmetic store items will be non-tradeable.[4]

Cosmetics are not tradeable with other players but can be reassigned to other characters (alts) within the same account.[29][4]
This is a reversal of the earlier statement that assignment of account-bound cosmetics to a character cannot be undone.[30]

Ludullu

Ravicus wrote: »

I guess we will find out.

Cosmetics are not gear though. Obviously gear might be copyable into a cosmetic skin or smth, but at that point I'd expect that cosmetic to simply be account-bound. No reason not to have it that way. It serves no function to the other player, so why punish people even further.

Though obviously this only applies to red players in the first place, so maybe Steven wants to fuck those over even more than they'll already be, but that's a whole separate issue.

Ayeveegaming1

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

I guess we will find out.

Cosmetics are not gear though. Obviously gear might be copyable into a cosmetic skin or smth, but at that point I'd expect that cosmetic to simply be account-bound. No reason not to have it that way. It serves no function to the other player, so why punish people even further.

Though obviously this only applies to red players in the first place, so maybe Steven wants to fuck those over even more than they'll already be, but that's a whole separate issue.

Ya, I posted more about the cosmetics just above here. Cosmetics cannot be traded, but can be passed to other char on account it looks like.

BlackBrony

I despise Battlepass. It's fake content with real rewards. Basically forcing you to buy it if you're a collector. Sometimes they even give power up.
For example OW, giving access to new heroes or skins.
The game should be fun to play, or not. It's not the same as a single player RPG where you might want to complete all achievements because it's something to do, once, and then you're done. Bpass keep changing and giving new fake rewards and objectives.
Make the game fun, balance it, keep adding new things.
I hope there is no bpass in this game.

Command3r

Battlepasses defeat the purpose of AoC's philosophy. Instant gratification to reach a greater gratification? No thanks!

Dygz

Battlepasses don't provide instant gratification as far as I know.
Especially not as instant as items from the Cosmetics Shop.

Dygz

BlackBrony wrote: »

I despise Battlepass. It's fake content with real rewards. Basically forcing you to buy it if you're a collector. Sometimes they even give power up.
For example OW, giving access to new heroes or skins.
The game should be fun to play, or not. It's not the same as a single player RPG where you might want to complete all achievements because it's something to do, once, and then you're done. Bpass keep changing and giving new fake rewards and objectives.
Make the game fun, balance it, keep adding new things.
I hope there is no bpass in this game.

Can't force you to buy anything if it's a free BP.
But... with your view of a collector, collectors would be forced to buy everything in the Cosmetics Shop.
And a BP typically provides 5+ Cosmetics plus a bunch of Embers... for the price of the cheapest item in the Shop.
Modern BPs don't include P2W. No P2W is an Ashes Pillar, so highly unlikely an Ashes BP would include P2W.

If games were just fun to play - there would be no rewards at all:
No need for Adventurer or Artisan XP. No need for Quest rewards. No need for Boss drops. No need for Achievement rewards.

I dunno what you mean by "fake" rewards. I also don't know what you mean by "fake" objectives.
BP Tasks are no more fake than anything else players do in the game. No more fake than Achievements or repeating Dungeons and Raids.

Endowed

Dygz wrote: »

BP Tasks are no more fake than anything else players do in the game. No more fake than Achievements or repeating Dungeons and Raids.

Yes they are.

Dygz

No. They aren't.

Endowed

For you they aren't.

Its not a npc , pc or an area in game with your character.
Its a interface, like an app or dungeon finder. Something away from your character and your fellow players never see yours.

Used for things we may utilize when picking character skills, or a cash shop or loggin in/out or computer settings and adjustments. Fake to our in game world and characters.

Otr

Dygz wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

DLC expansions (post-launch releases) are planned on a monthly, quarterly, or six-monthly basis.[1][2]
- The frequency and size of expansions will be based on the popularity and subscription base of the game.[1]
- DLC will not cost anything more than the normal subscription.[3][4]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-fUWFkMvyHY&t=3758s
- Larger expansions will add new content and increase various aspects of the game.[1][5]
- New content will primarily be introduced through the node system. The goal is for existing content to remain relevant alongside the new content.[6]

The vid you posted is from 2018, the first year of development.
Battlepasses have become quite popular in the last 5 years.
2018 is a year or more before Intrepid developed their Battlepass for APOC.
Everything is subject to change. Except no P2W.

Battlepass fits in with a quarterly release of content.
And it's not unusual for Battlepasses to have a free path as well as a premium/paid path.
So... Battlepass is not a major tweak of those quotes.

I got an update for you!

Dygz

Nice!

Although, notice that both Steven and Margaret said your wording didn't make sense (which I agree with):
Otr wants to know about monetization: If people want Battlepasses, would you make them?

That doesn't really reflect what I said since I never said I expect Ashes to have a paid BP.
And... I'm not sure what they answered negates the possibility of a free Battlepass.
Especially not by the time Ashes releases.

(It's not about whether the players ask them to make a BP. I think Steven will decide to make BPs due to the popular trend and as part of their Seasonal content drops. Also, due to having one in APOC.)

Ludullu

https://www.twitch.tv/ashesofcreation/clip/UnsightlyEntertainingDaikonGrammarKing-7FALKDhYjf0XGEu3

Dygz

Haha. Well, that link starts without the context of the question that was asked.
LMAO

Caeryl

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

https://www.twitch.tv/ashesofcreation/clip/UnsightlyEntertainingDaikonGrammarKing-7FALKDhYjf0XGEu3

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