Not really feeling the whole front flip Dwarfs...

I understand Intrepid is taking its own direction on races and lore for Ashes...Perhaps not trying to fall into fantasy tropes or intellectual property thresholds.

But logically speaking I don't feel a mountain carving and tunneling race (Dünir) would jump flip... "Stoic and stout" seems more rotund, staunch and stocky... a 'regular' jump with perhaps a dodge roll seems a better fit.

(Verbal NDA lifted personal experience alpha tester, So actual hands on impression of the race as it currently being offered)

The islander dwarfs/halflings (Niküa) might seem fine with such athleticism.

I hope Intreprid might already have such details in the pipeline but just not implemented yet.

If not I hope they might reconsider the Jump Flip for mountain dorfs...

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AidanKD

I mean, I think the biggest turn off for the current iteration is it looked like the dwarf flipped on EVERY single jump.

If they must flip, just have it happen on average every 10 jumps or something.

Ludullu

I'd rather have flips than yahooefied mario jumps.

And it's a choice between only those two options, because I definitely do not want my preferred race to jump only half as far or high.

Uncommon Sense

Mario also flip jumps and he is a plumber not a dwarf...So i'm not sure what yahooefied actualy means..

So the next argument now is distance because half height apparently now specifies half jump distance...

But flipping wearing full plate armor makes total sense?

The Dunir have hefty arms...an arm swing assisted jump is totally plausible and can be done without going "woohoo" or punching a floating box in the air...

If anything the flip is a cop out then, as to suggest it too hard to figure out how can we make a smaller stature race be equal to the bigger races even though technically they could all be flip jumping too and covering more height and distance.

However in the real world high jumpers and long jumpers don't flip either...and gymnasts don't wear armor or have bear bellies...

If it the dorf flip jump stays, I'll probably not play as one even though its my preferred fantasy race...

Ludullu

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

If it the dorf flip jump stays, I'll probably not play as one even though its my preferred fantasy race...

Your sacrifice will be remembered with every flip I do :'(

Azherae

Can't it just be a toggle like everything else at character creation?

Is the issue that anti-flip people don't want to see any other Dwarves flipping either?

Aszkalon

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

logically speaking I don't feel a mountain carving and tunneling race (Dünir) would jump flip... "Stoic and stout" seems more rotund, staunch and stocky... a 'regular' jump with perhaps a dodge roll seems a better fit.

The islander dwarfs/halflings (Niküa) might seem fine with such athleticism.

We think alike.

I also imagine the Nikua to be the more agile ones. Just don't introduce the Martial Arts of Capoeira for them ... ...

... ... as hilarious as that might be.

Artharion

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

If Intrepid decides to adhere to the mountain cave dwellers who are shaped by stone/solid/stoic...yet are acrobatic beyond belief...then so be it.

I probably wont be able to play my preferred fantasy race due to it however...I don't think I am alone with this sentiment.

Dunir push wagons of stones. They carry stones themselves. They wear super heavy armor. They use the heaviest weapons around, just cause they're the chaddiest.

All of that requires your legs to be strong as hell. And strong legs lead to strong jumps. And their short stature leads them to have a lower center of mass, which allows them to do flips more easily.

It makes total sense in lore and fantasy. Flips must remain.

I think you don't understand how human anatomy works. You're not going to see many elite strength athletes such as strongmen, who could be considered the closest equivalent to dwarves, with a lot of muscle hypertrophy and high weight in their bodies, doing flips. Who does flips in real life? People who do calisthenics and similar sports, meaning you need to be flexible and have a low body weight. When you have a lot of muscle hypertrophy and high weight that doesn't happen.

And this is coming from someone who has gone from doing calisthenics to hypertrophying their muscles for several years in the gym.

Dygz

I disagree that the consensus hates the Dunir flip. It's just a very vocal minority.
Majority are fine with it and have no reason to say anything about it.

Dygz

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

If it was perhaps a toggle-able cosmetic ability modifyer so that the player could chose on/off flips?

I realize this might seem petty to some people...But It s kind of important to enjoy playing something if that avatar is played for 100-1000-10000+ hours.

Might go with Vek just to troll myself...

Why does it need to be toggle-able?
Don't flip if you don't want to flip. Don't crawl if you don't want to crawl.
Dunir players already have the choice to flip or not.

Dygz

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

Mario also flip jumps and he is a plumber not a dwarf...So i'm not sure what yahooefied actualy means..

So the next argument now is distance because half height apparently now specifies half jump distance...

But flipping wearing full plate armor makes total sense?

The Dunir have hefty arms...an arm swing assisted jump is totally plausible and can be done without going "woohoo" or punching a floating box in the air...

If anything the flip is a cop out then, as to suggest it too hard to figure out how can we make a smaller stature race be equal to the bigger races even though technically they could all be flip jumping too and covering more height and distance.

However in the real world high jumpers and long jumpers don't flip either...and gymnasts don't wear armor or have bear bellies...

If it the dorf flip jump stays, I'll probably not play as one even though its my preferred fantasy race...

I have the feeling that Dunir cannot do that flip on Sanctus.

Iskiab

I liked the dwarf flip, and I don’t care at all about realism.

Mag7spy

This is an old thread but ill comment since it not necro'd.

Saying a dwarf can't do a flip is the most brainrot take I've seen in awhile, akin to in society seeing someone based on race, body shape, etc that they can not do something.

If you train to do something and your character is an adventure you are going to be able to accomplish it. It simple means this dwarf has trained for a long time or worked hard at it to be able to do it. IE if a dwarf trained to be a rogue.

Just because characters train and can do it doesn't mean most dwarf citizens can even do it, but that is the difference and freedom of making your own character and story from a RP stand point Gameplay wise there shouldnt be a limit on anything, if you want to be a dwarf with mobility that is good freedom.

Also i got 0 issues if you don't play a dwarf because you don't like IS lore with it. Less complaining to deal with on silly topics, and terrible tanks akin to trying to head cannon your own personal rp lore that doesn't make any sense as some sort of reality.

*edit

Ok i seem people are complaining about the basic jump being a flip, thought that was around a skill. I wouldn't be surprised if that changed later.

Also animations being sold to people is a easy way for monetization if they really hate something.

PrinceMaslama

I also wanted to mention that the basic jump animation feels clumsy and cartoonish. It would be great if it could be updated to look less like my character has stepped on a rat's tail.

Do no take inspiration from WoW's animations. This is the only advice I will give.

Uncommon Sense

I backed the game under 2 main reasons.

1 Oceanic Servers.
2 traditional preconceived playable dwarf race.

If flipping midgets is fine with players that's ok, I hope you have fun pouring out drinks for the homies...

I'll play a different race. I'm not angry, just disappointed.

My hope now is that Oceanic servers also don't flip.

Uncommon Sense

The Dunir I had hoped to play and invested in.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Vestments_of_the_Runecarvers

The character Ludullu_(NiKr) gets to play

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1879722562318172

Atama

Aszkalon wrote: »

I also imagine the Nikua to be the more agile ones. Just don't introduce the Martial Arts of Capoeira for them ... ... ... ... as hilarious as that might be.

It might work though.

RocketFarmer

Forgot about the flipping dwarves. Perhaps that’s the way to avoid bunny hopping.

Thoghli Ramheart

I am so glad that others are supporting the no-flips policy for dwarves. I recently made a video about it here, https://youtube.com/watch?v=iGmak8V5wmc and I hope that most can agree with me!

I look forward to more folks being vocal about them being pro or anti-flip.

The most significant thing is that I want to see dwarves be meaty and stalwart kin, as I imagine being a smith for hours would make them choky. That and the traditional dwarf is all about the old-school mentality of dwarves. Try not to change that too much, imo, as that is what most of our dwarven community is looking forward to.

AyeveeGaming11

Listen to the song here: Dünir Dwarves Do not Flip

https://suno.com/song/2b7cc268-9763-4d2f-bacb-0c88fd681663

Dimitraeos

Yeah I think the flip is dumb as hell. They look like toys lol.

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