Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Those aren't mutually exclusive, just so you're aware. Nope they ARE exclusive in Alpha, you clearly know nothing about what an Alpha is if you think it is 'Playable'. Please put your ego to the side, listen to what people are sying so you can shed your ignorance and false expectations.
patrick68794 wrote: » Those aren't mutually exclusive, just so you're aware.
patrick68794 wrote: » Oh I will lol and I hope you've learned something about not putting words in other people's mouths. It's a valuable lesson for people to learn that doesn't seem to be taught often enough.
CROW3 wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Oh I will lol and I hope you've learned something about not putting words in other people's mouths. It's a valuable lesson for people to learn that doesn't seem to be taught often enough. lol - I edited my royal 'your' to be more accurate. Everything else is your defensiveness to own. Have fun with that.
patrick68794 wrote: » CROW3 wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Oh I will lol and I hope you've learned something about not putting words in other people's mouths. It's a valuable lesson for people to learn that doesn't seem to be taught often enough. lol - I edited my royal 'your' to be more accurate. Everything else is your defensiveness to own. Have fun with that. nah, you're just trying to save face now lol absolutely pathetic.
Blip wrote: » So when I got access i was under the impresion that it be available 24/7. So real Alpha 2 that was promised is delayd until May 2025. A bit shady of Intrepid i think.
patrick68794 wrote: » Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Those aren't mutually exclusive, just so you're aware. Nope they ARE exclusive in Alpha, you clearly know nothing about what an Alpha is if you think it is 'Playable'. Please put your ego to the side, listen to what people are sying so you can shed your ignorance and false expectations. They are not mutually exclusive. All you're doing here is projecting your own ignorance and lack of knowledge. If the alpha isn't "playable" then there will be nothing to test beyond their login servers because that means the actual game (or "software project" if you want to be pedantic) doesn't work. It doesn't have to be finished or have all of the gameplay mechanics and features for it to be "playable" either. All that actually means is that you can log in and perform actions. That is technically all playable means. Testing anything in the game beyond logging in will involve actually playing it. You can't test progression if you're not playing. You can't test combat mechanics if you're not playing. You can't test collision if you're not playing. They can't gather metrics on server stability if people aren't playing. And guess what? The main goals for phase 1 are: stability, scalability, performance, and progression. How do you propose they gather test data on progression if people aren't playing the game?
Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Those aren't mutually exclusive, just so you're aware. Nope they ARE exclusive in Alpha, you clearly know nothing about what an Alpha is if you think it is 'Playable'. Please put your ego to the side, listen to what people are sying so you can shed your ignorance and false expectations. They are not mutually exclusive. All you're doing here is projecting your own ignorance and lack of knowledge. If the alpha isn't "playable" then there will be nothing to test beyond their login servers because that means the actual game (or "software project" if you want to be pedantic) doesn't work. It doesn't have to be finished or have all of the gameplay mechanics and features for it to be "playable" either. All that actually means is that you can log in and perform actions. That is technically all playable means. Testing anything in the game beyond logging in will involve actually playing it. You can't test progression if you're not playing. You can't test combat mechanics if you're not playing. You can't test collision if you're not playing. They can't gather metrics on server stability if people aren't playing. And guess what? The main goals for phase 1 are: stability, scalability, performance, and progression. How do you propose they gather test data on progression if people aren't playing the game? You don't understand game development terminology if you think "log in" and "Playable" are the same thing. Playable means to experience the gameplay loop as it is intended, aka to be getting the indended experience that the design is trying to achive. It denotes a mostly feature complete game, aka a Beta.
patrick68794 wrote: » Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Lodrig wrote: » patrick68794 wrote: » Those aren't mutually exclusive, just so you're aware. Nope they ARE exclusive in Alpha, you clearly know nothing about what an Alpha is if you think it is 'Playable'. Please put your ego to the side, listen to what people are sying so you can shed your ignorance and false expectations. They are not mutually exclusive. All you're doing here is projecting your own ignorance and lack of knowledge. If the alpha isn't "playable" then there will be nothing to test beyond their login servers because that means the actual game (or "software project" if you want to be pedantic) doesn't work. It doesn't have to be finished or have all of the gameplay mechanics and features for it to be "playable" either. All that actually means is that you can log in and perform actions. That is technically all playable means. Testing anything in the game beyond logging in will involve actually playing it. You can't test progression if you're not playing. You can't test combat mechanics if you're not playing. You can't test collision if you're not playing. They can't gather metrics on server stability if people aren't playing. And guess what? The main goals for phase 1 are: stability, scalability, performance, and progression. How do you propose they gather test data on progression if people aren't playing the game? You don't understand game development terminology if you think "log in" and "Playable" are the same thing. Playable means to experience the gameplay loop as it is intended, aka to be getting the indended experience that the design is trying to achive. It denotes a mostly feature complete game, aka a Beta. You're just being pedantic so you can try and be right lol "playable" isn't some industry standard term that means you can play the entire game from start to finish or experience all of the gameplay mechanics. You will be both playing and testing the alpha, because testing directly relies on playing. I also did not say that "log in" and "playable" were the same thing. Now if you want to argue that we won't just be playing like we will be at launch, then sure, that's going to be correct for the most part. They will want focused testing and they will want people to go about things in specific ways or to focus on or ignore specific aspects of the game at times. That is normal for this sort of public testing but it also generally doesn't make up 100% of the testing periods and they will at times want people to play like normal so they can gather data on various aspects of the game when they're being used as intended at release (this may not be until closer to release but it will happen, because that's part of what they're going to be wanting feedback on before release).
Yoh wrote: » Wow, people are still crying about the "Persistent alpha" thing huh? Honestly, this strikes me more as miscommunication then maliciousness. People are often so willing to assign blame as malicious, rather then what it often is, incompetence. I think you still getting a persistent alpha, only what you think it is and what Intrepid think it is are two very different things. It seems most people expected that persistent alpha meant that either the servers would be up 24/7 with no down time, and no wipes up until launch, or just wouldn't be wipes up until launch. Which, frankly is kind of ridiculous to assume. Realistically, that was never going to happen. People who thought otherwise really just do not understand how game development works. That being said, your still very likely getting a persistent alpha. By which I mean, that there will be periods of time where the server will be up 24/7 without wipes for a period of time, for a couple of days or a week or so. Because they need to test this, it's very important that they do, and they know it. I suspect this will happen during phase one, but they may test this multiple times during alpha. Esp since they need to put their server meshing technology through it's paces. They just need to be a heck of a lot more clear what their plans are here.
Blip wrote: » @Kilion Diamaht wrote: » This is the same post 10 times over. What a waste of time. Looking forward to Oct, hope the Karen's feel better tomorrow. Insulting someone does not change facts, but it might make you feel like a big man.
Diamaht wrote: » This is the same post 10 times over. What a waste of time. Looking forward to Oct, hope the Karen's feel better tomorrow.
Yoh wrote: » I think you still getting a persistent alpha, only what you think it is and what Intrepid think it is are two very different things. It seems most people expected that persistent alpha meant that either the servers would be up 24/7 with no down time, and no wipes up until launch, or just wouldn't be wipes up until launch. Which, frankly is kind of ridiculous to assume.
KingRajesh wrote: » Yoh wrote: » I think you still getting a persistent alpha, only what you think it is and what Intrepid think it is are two very different things. It seems most people expected that persistent alpha meant that either the servers would be up 24/7 with no down time, and no wipes up until launch, or just wouldn't be wipes up until launch. Which, frankly is kind of ridiculous to assume. Steven literally sold this game on a 24/7 uptime for Alpha 2. Steven: "Persistent for us means that we're going to keep [Alpha 2] servers up all day and night until launch."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD1q3aTRcPY&t=1522s
