Menacing Melody is WAY too over-powered

Not sure if this has been asked yet, but why is Menacing Melody a debuff applied to opponents and not a buff applied to the party?

If I'm interpreting this correctly, you'd only need 1 Bard in the entire raid to use it for the entire raid to gain it's benefit. That raid-wide 10% damage buff seems super OP when compared to the other Melodies, which are all party based (and significantly weaker).

Thanks.
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Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting it be nerfed in to the ground. Just saying it is a slightly more powerful Melody compared to the others which are all party-(not raid) wide. Making it slightly more powerful AND raid-wide (opponent's debuffed) is the issue. This emphasizes a desire for -A- bard in a raid, which takes away a desire for multiple bards in a raid. Just making it a party buff fixes the issue and equalizes the desire for multiple bards in a raid- not wholly necessary, but desirable.

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Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

Yes, I understand how 10% works

Right, so you get my point.

When there are only one or two people with the bard, it probably isn't even worth using. When there are 40, it probably is.

As to the rest of your post, 10% would be overpowered in a game that isn't designed with it in mind.

nanfoodle

Taerrik wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Taerrik wrote: »

10% is 10%

10% of 10 is 1.

10% of 1000 is 100.

Since the cost of running the melody is the same, the actual value of it is based on how much damage you are already doing. However, the thing to keep in mind is that even this isn't necessarily true - if you are against an encounter that you already have enough DPS present to defeat, all that melody does is save a little bit of time - and it will be less time saved than the run speed boost.

Again, there are indeed times when that 10% damage boost will be clutch. There are also, however, many times when it won't be.

Yes, I understand how 10% works

Just want to point out that in games like ff14, where content is limited to 8 players in the pinnacle content. Single player dps boosts for 20s are typically self 10% or 20% boosts.
Party dps boosts for similar time frames are also 20s or 30s of 10% boost as an example.

10% is a lot, and its limited to such short burst frames.

Having a permanent bard boost of 10%, maintained 100% of the time for only a upkeep cost, that is quite overpowered in my eyes.

Fact is, the game is being designed with support classes. Ashes can make the content designed with the Bard in mind. Much like most of the content is designed for a balanced team in mind, including a Cleric. If it ends up being two powerful, IS can tune the Bard skills, or adjust the mobs we face. IMO Bards will not be an optional class, they will be your bread and butter.

Harlow

Taerrik wrote: »

I think support jobs are on their own just simply overpowered, because you just press a button and its turned on, forever, you dont have to think about anything except for staying in range of who you want to have buffed.
In general most games have you just turn it on, and you forget about it and do your own thing, playing like your a regular dps class doing damage to the enemies and just by existing in the world you boost your team.

You are correct in that there will be some folks that just press a button and go on about their day. But I can tell you if bards play like that in our raids, they won't get invited back. If you watch the bard's perspective (Bucky) in the video released Friday, you'll see that he is all over the place, sliding here, there, and everywhere to get maximum spread of his Shielding Dance, switching up the melody depending on what's needed most atm, healing and saga-ing. Being Johnny-on-the-spot. He's also wanding to dps but bard in this game is most definitely not a "turn on a buff and sit back" class like other support classes might be.

I don't see support classes in general as overpowered. As support, they bring diverse, class-defining buffs/debuffs to the table that synergize well with other class abilities. If something is OP it will get sifted out during testing (let's hope).

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