Where is the progress

As much as I appreciate the monthly live streams, would it be possible for once to do a Livestream about content we have not seen or heard about? I enjoyed the world boss but let's be honest here it's a complete copy and paste with maybe some different colours added of the world boss previewed 3 years ago, in a worse looking area,

Why has basically everything including an entire zone been scrapped since A1?

How many parses are we going to have to see in the cleric?

Where is the action combat? Show us the naval system?, nodes above level 3, bounty hunting? Secondary archetypes? Something.. maybe I need to take a break in following this game because the more live streams I watch it just feels like we are getting taken for a ride, show us the builds that you previewed 3 years ago for the weathering and commissions showcase, tell us why the world looks so dull and the colours have been drastically changed everytime we see real gameplay,

I respect and am greatful that you want and ask for the communities opinion on elements of the game, but at some stage with 60+ game developers, decisions need to be made and stuck to, surely someone in the company can put in some insight, the game feels like it's been restarted from scratch 4x over now and it would be nice to know why. Again maybe I just need to take a break from following this game but come on, 3 years from alpha 1 when will we start seeing real progress, not live streams designed simply for a 30 minute presentation and then never touched apon again, would be nice to see literally ANY other biome, the character creator that was promised a month ago or literally anything, now I'm just ranting

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Mag7spy

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Apok wrote: »

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This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

Also the monthly streams I may be wrong you are right but from what I have seen, the game with live showcases looks not even remotely close to the game in pre recorded show cases, I'm not saying it's a scam but they ARE selling these packs based on that being how the game looks, nothing I'm saying is madeup

You are literally spreading misinformation.......

Tell me what is misinformation here

You are trying to suggest the money from Kickstarter all went towards Apoc....This has to be a troll...You don't know where they are spending their money or even how much things cost to make lol?

Of course some money /development goes into making any game an Apoc would take some element of that. That doesn't mean all their money from their Kickstarter went into Apoc, nor would you know. THe theory is silly because you can make the argument the assets they used in apoc were assets they took from AoC as they were prototyping

So in the end you are making a toxic post based on your assumptions while not knowing how things work to try to paint the company badly. Because you haven't seen enough to make yourself happy of the game that they are in the middle of developing.

Chicago

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Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

Also the monthly streams I may be wrong you are right but from what I have seen, the game with live showcases looks not even remotely close to the game in pre recorded show cases, I'm not saying it's a scam but they ARE selling these packs based on that being how the game looks, nothing I'm saying is madeup

You are literally spreading misinformation.......

Tell me what is misinformation here

You are trying to suggest the money from Kickstarter all went towards Apoc....This has to be a troll...You don't know where they are spending their money or even how much things cost to make lol?

Of course some money /development goes into making any game an Apoc would take some element of that. That doesn't mean all their money from their Kickstarter went into Apoc, nor would you know. THe theory is silly because you can make the argument the assets they used in apoc were assets they took from AoC as they were prototyping

So in the end you are making a toxic post based on your assumptions while not knowing how things work to try to paint the company badly. Because you haven't seen enough to make yourself happy of the game that they are in the middle of developing.

Thanks for replying, I challenge you to think of it in another light and as a person I don't have a problem with you so don't take anything I say as so, however the constant stabs on my posts are getting old but I'll try to reply so you can see it from my point of view

Yes you are right I don't know where their funds go, this is not public information but speculating is not spreading miss information, I think that if an entire game was developed after the Kickstarter that wasn't AoC ( and also scrapped I might add ) we can take a pretty good guess that Kickstarter funding went into that game. If they made apoc to test assets why would this not be told in the live streams? I mean that's essentially what they are right development updates but I guess it's all the things for one way or another they decide we should not get to know,

Alot of my post are not based on assumptions, it is a fact that intrepid are using fomo tactics to make people buy their bundle packs

It is a fact that alot of people bought 250$ packs with the assumption that A2 access was coming to an end

It is a fact that the visuals of the game vary heavily between pre recorded and live gameplay

It is a fact that bringing back A2 access with 3 different price bundles and an expiry date is just a marketing strategy to persuade people to just buy the 120$ pack with a huge incentive from fomo

It is a fact that we have seen maybe 3% of any of the core systems that this game hopes to accomplish

I would like to also point out that I don't think I trepid is a bad company, I also don't think their am indy company anymore or even close to it so for us to keep calling them that is not a good comparison, they have some of the best devs on the planet working for them but for whatever reason no one internally seems to be able to make any solid in stone decisions

As people I think the entire team are great, especially the GMs for example vaknar spends alot of time responding and communicating with the community,

I think alot of the points I have brought up are things that alot of people would love some answers to in some of the live streams, not another pass on the cleric or a recycled world boss with identical mechanics from alpha 1

Anyway no hard feelings but these are just my opinions and if you don't like them that is fine

Craiken

Alpha II is opening next month. It should be possible to do a deep-dive comparison between it and Alpha I. I would be interested in seeing that. And I would be surprised if a comparison found that there had been no real progress.

Electronn

Chicago wrote: »

now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited

Truth.

Chicago

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Chicago wrote: »

now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited

Truth.

Yep, but no one wants to have this conversation

Mag7spy

You can view it how you want, with it being stabs or whatever, but its a pretty bad take so i comment on it.

You can't say you are just speculating when you are trying to use this information in a negative light and then you are trying to say you are only saying facts on top of it....

A fact would be the were showing gameplay on AoC before Apoc, and there would be a time period where they are developing content for AoC during that time period.

There for you now need to speculate the amount of time they are putting in a battle royal and into the actual mmorpg.So instantly you cna't even make a argument all kickstarter funds went into Apoc alone since factually you have nothing to point to that saying that is even the case since that isn't really possible.

The other fact is they need to higher people, get equipment, office space, software(which is expensive as you are talking about a lot of different programs out there and needing licensing for per son that needs to be using it)) etc. This money is directly supporting AoC so again you can't make a argument all their kickstarter funding just went into Apoc.

Unsure where you heard they made apoc to test assets that sounds very weird, unless i had some typo earlier or something.

Point being there is a mmorpg first so if anything it makes more sense they picked asset pieces from their mmorpg prototype and used it to make Apoc since making a battle royal is pretty easy. Rather then you trying to suggest the funding went into Apoc meaning that came first as their focus.

That being said it doesn't mean there was no effort put into it, and new things not being made in some element for it. Its just extremely silly to try to say they are lying, using fake engines, or using all their kickstarter funding into Apoc without any actual proof. when if you look at the development you can easily make counter arguments for it.

This is a pattern of trying to use extreme takes, which gets into being disingenuous. A more fair take would be if you felt what they gained out of making apoc was a waste of their development time, and any testing information they gathered from the data doesn't help them. (which i wouldn't agree with but atleast you aren't making an extreme take and that is simply your opinion.

I really don't care if you think IS are using fomo to sell things, its a business at the end of the day. You can have your opinion on it and support them or be against it. That has nothing to do with progress of the game...And this game isn't going to grow on a tree and to be honest it half is growing on a tree out of Stevens Wallet.

Not really going to argue that its only 3 percent of their systems, as I'm guessing you mean they only have a total of 3% done out of everything else they need to do. You are fine to have your opinion on that, I believe that would be more fair to have.

I expect development to be slower until a company is in full production. Which i believe Is is now at full production meaning content is going to be made a lot faster. They have like almost 200 employees so i feel they would be going into full production recently (between the last year and now). And you will see plenty of new things over the time frame.

I'm make a good guess there is a lot of art that is not seen as it need functionality or the art is not complete or not in a state they want to show. On top of needing to build up for milestones and releasing content during their phases of A2. Which they will be even more strict of showing things because people can not handle development and they want to make sure things are pretty polished.

Do to them trying to polish everything for showcasing that is where you can make a argument they are slowing down things on development. So people can see the game, and then start to complain about that they aren't doing it fast enough or it still doesn't look good enough for them base don what consumers think lol.

Pretty much and this would be me speculating on the whole situation. They thought is be cool to show the progress of the game they are putting their heart into and a good way to market it at the same time. So they wanted to be transparent in showing things and talking about it and being really chill. And then realized all the work to put into that will be appreciated by some, but most people will actually not care or complain things are bad. The process didn't matter as cool of an idea it might be, general consumers won't care or appreciate it. They only care about the final result else its bad to them.

On the star citizen point i Don't fully follow that project but i see and hear things time to time. That game has had like 600m dollars put into it, and been in development since like 2011. And if you compare star citizen to this game i feel like AoC actually has a game. And in star citizen they are spending their money on feature creep and complicated things that are pointless to a game (To the point i had a friend showing me the game and struggling to find out how to drink water in the game do to it being a mess). So to me that would be more a stab on IS, imo of course.

Noaani

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

This is a fairly bad take.

First, Apoc had very little money spent on it - that was very obvious. It was never designed to be a *product*, it was designed in a way where it maybe could have been turned in to one.

Even your timelines don't match up. WIth what you are saying here, Intrepid would have scrapped a large portion of the game, and then a few months later decided to stop selling monthly cosmetics - almost definately theyr biggest earner.

That just doesn't track - not that I expect logic to sway your ramblings.

As to you wanting to see various things - no.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if tier 6 (and maybe even tier 5) nodes aren't even finished when the game goes live. Most MMORPG's don't have content complete if they know or assume it will take players months to get to it. Even then though, they need to get nodes at level 3 working how they want them before putting too much effort in to higher tier nodes - because any changes to level 3 nodes will add exponential additional work if there is something in tier 4 nodes that relied on how things were at tier 3. As such, I wouldn't expect tier 4 nodes at this stage to be anything other than some building designs.

Naval content is a little different. I don't see why they would have started that yet - it isn't as if they can be working on every aspect if the game all at once.

Keep in mind, 60 developers is half as many as a game like GW2 had AFTER launch (at one point they had 70 developers working on an expansion, and 30 working on maintaining the core game). Trying to build an MMO with that many developers is kind of crazy, expect things to go slow.

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

You can view it how you want, with it being stabs or whatever, but its a pretty bad take so i comment on it.

You can't say you are just speculating when you are trying to use this information in a negative light and then you are trying to say you are only saying facts on top of it....

A fact would be the were showing gameplay on AoC before Apoc, and there would be a time period where they are developing content for AoC during that time period.

There for you now need to speculate the amount of time they are putting in a battle royal and into the actual mmorpg.So instantly you cna't even make a argument all kickstarter funds went into Apoc alone since factually you have nothing to point to that saying that is even the case since that isn't really possible.

The other fact is they need to higher people, get equipment, office space, software(which is expensive as you are talking about a lot of different programs out there and needing licensing for per son that needs to be using it)) etc. This money is directly supporting AoC so again you can't make a argument all their kickstarter funding just went into Apoc.

Unsure where you heard they made apoc to test assets that sounds very weird, unless i had some typo earlier or something.

Point being there is a mmorpg first so if anything it makes more sense they picked asset pieces from their mmorpg prototype and used it to make Apoc since making a battle royal is pretty easy. Rather then you trying to suggest the funding went into Apoc meaning that came first as their focus.

That being said it doesn't mean there was no effort put into it, and new things not being made in some element for it. Its just extremely silly to try to say they are lying, using fake engines, or using all their kickstarter funding into Apoc without any actual proof. when if you look at the development you can easily make counter arguments for it.

This is a pattern of trying to use extreme takes, which gets into being disingenuous. A more fair take would be if you felt what they gained out of making apoc was a waste of their development time, and any testing information they gathered from the data doesn't help them. (which i wouldn't agree with but atleast you aren't making an extreme take and that is simply your opinion.

I really don't care if you think IS are using fomo to sell things, its a business at the end of the day. You can have your opinion on it and support them or be against it. That has nothing to do with progress of the game...And this game isn't going to grow on a tree and to be honest it half is growing on a tree out of Stevens Wallet.

Not really going to argue that its only 3 percent of their systems, as I'm guessing you mean they only have a total of 3% done out of everything else they need to do. You are fine to have your opinion on that, I believe that would be more fair to have.

I expect development to be slower until a company is in full production. Which i believe Is is now at full production meaning content is going to be made a lot faster. They have like almost 200 employees so i feel they would be going into full production recently (between the last year and now). And you will see plenty of new things over the time frame.

I'm make a good guess there is a lot of art that is not seen as it need functionality or the art is not complete or not in a state they want to show. On top of needing to build up for milestones and releasing content during their phases of A2. Which they will be even more strict of showing things because people can not handle development and they want to make sure things are pretty polished.

Do to them trying to polish everything for showcasing that is where you can make a argument they are slowing down things on development. So people can see the game, and then start to complain about that they aren't doing it fast enough or it still doesn't look good enough for them base don what consumers think lol.

Pretty much and this would be me speculating on the whole situation. They thought is be cool to show the progress of the game they are putting their heart into and a good way to market it at the same time. So they wanted to be transparent in showing things and talking about it and being really chill. And then realized all the work to put into that will be appreciated by some, but most people will actually not care or complain things are bad. The process didn't matter as cool of an idea it might be, general consumers won't care or appreciate it. They only care about the final result else its bad to them.

On the star citizen point i Don't fully follow that project but i see and hear things time to time. That game has had like 600m dollars put into it, and been in development since like 2011. And if you compare star citizen to this game i feel like AoC actually has a game. And in star citizen they are spending their money on feature creep and complicated things that are pointless to a game (To the point i had a friend showing me the game and struggling to find out how to drink water in the game do to it being a mess). So to me that would be more a stab on IS, imo of course.

You have some good points here and I do agree with quite a few of them, however I don't think that all of their funds went into apoc, I do think a majority but yes you are right I don't have and never will have any concrete data on this, some points I do disagree on is transparency, this is not a personal stab against Steven because I would guess it being a big part of his life and is automated for him but I would argue a big part of the live streams have nothing to do with transparency and everything to do with sales.

The reason I think this is because we don't ever get told anything about the actual development,

I think showing a showcase that doesn't look like the visuals of the actual game * whilst * actively selling and promoting at the same is not transparent. Furthermore, Whilst I agree and appreciate that Steven has put alot of his own money into the project you need to remember that once complete Steven is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, it's not out of the goodness of his heart and people need to stop using this as an excuse, either way, let's come back to this once A2 launches, one way or another one of us will eat our words and I hope that it is me and I'll be the first to admit it

Noaani

Chicago wrote: »

I think showing a showcase that doesn't look like the visuals of the actual game * whilst * actively selling and promoting at the same is not transparent.

Then why are you asking them to showcase things that are almost definately not a a state that they will look like when the game is live?

That said, the showcase isn't about the games visuals. It is about the gameplay.

Chicago

Noaani wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

I think showing a showcase that doesn't look like the visuals of the actual game * whilst * actively selling and promoting at the same is not transparent.

Then why are you asking them to showcase things that are almost definately not a a state that they will look like when the game is live?

That said, the showcase isn't about the games visuals. It is about the gameplay.

I mean at this point it should be about both,

also I don't need to see these systems showcased but would love to hear literally anything about them, and I think a Livestream that went over those topics would be much more well received than recycled content we have already seen

Mag7spy

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You can view it how you want, with it being stabs or whatever, but its a pretty bad take so i comment on it.

You can't say you are just speculating when you are trying to use this information in a negative light and then you are trying to say you are only saying facts on top of it....

A fact would be the were showing gameplay on AoC before Apoc, and there would be a time period where they are developing content for AoC during that time period.

There for you now need to speculate the amount of time they are putting in a battle royal and into the actual mmorpg.So instantly you cna't even make a argument all kickstarter funds went into Apoc alone since factually you have nothing to point to that saying that is even the case since that isn't really possible.

The other fact is they need to higher people, get equipment, office space, software(which is expensive as you are talking about a lot of different programs out there and needing licensing for per son that needs to be using it)) etc. This money is directly supporting AoC so again you can't make a argument all their kickstarter funding just went into Apoc.

Unsure where you heard they made apoc to test assets that sounds very weird, unless i had some typo earlier or something.

Point being there is a mmorpg first so if anything it makes more sense they picked asset pieces from their mmorpg prototype and used it to make Apoc since making a battle royal is pretty easy. Rather then you trying to suggest the funding went into Apoc meaning that came first as their focus.

That being said it doesn't mean there was no effort put into it, and new things not being made in some element for it. Its just extremely silly to try to say they are lying, using fake engines, or using all their kickstarter funding into Apoc without any actual proof. when if you look at the development you can easily make counter arguments for it.

This is a pattern of trying to use extreme takes, which gets into being disingenuous. A more fair take would be if you felt what they gained out of making apoc was a waste of their development time, and any testing information they gathered from the data doesn't help them. (which i wouldn't agree with but atleast you aren't making an extreme take and that is simply your opinion.

I really don't care if you think IS are using fomo to sell things, its a business at the end of the day. You can have your opinion on it and support them or be against it. That has nothing to do with progress of the game...And this game isn't going to grow on a tree and to be honest it half is growing on a tree out of Stevens Wallet.

Not really going to argue that its only 3 percent of their systems, as I'm guessing you mean they only have a total of 3% done out of everything else they need to do. You are fine to have your opinion on that, I believe that would be more fair to have.

I expect development to be slower until a company is in full production. Which i believe Is is now at full production meaning content is going to be made a lot faster. They have like almost 200 employees so i feel they would be going into full production recently (between the last year and now). And you will see plenty of new things over the time frame.

I'm make a good guess there is a lot of art that is not seen as it need functionality or the art is not complete or not in a state they want to show. On top of needing to build up for milestones and releasing content during their phases of A2. Which they will be even more strict of showing things because people can not handle development and they want to make sure things are pretty polished.

Do to them trying to polish everything for showcasing that is where you can make a argument they are slowing down things on development. So people can see the game, and then start to complain about that they aren't doing it fast enough or it still doesn't look good enough for them base don what consumers think lol.

Pretty much and this would be me speculating on the whole situation. They thought is be cool to show the progress of the game they are putting their heart into and a good way to market it at the same time. So they wanted to be transparent in showing things and talking about it and being really chill. And then realized all the work to put into that will be appreciated by some, but most people will actually not care or complain things are bad. The process didn't matter as cool of an idea it might be, general consumers won't care or appreciate it. They only care about the final result else its bad to them.

On the star citizen point i Don't fully follow that project but i see and hear things time to time. That game has had like 600m dollars put into it, and been in development since like 2011. And if you compare star citizen to this game i feel like AoC actually has a game. And in star citizen they are spending their money on feature creep and complicated things that are pointless to a game (To the point i had a friend showing me the game and struggling to find out how to drink water in the game do to it being a mess). So to me that would be more a stab on IS, imo of course.

You have some good points here and I do agree with quite a few of them, however I don't think that all of their funds went into apoc, I do think a majority but yes you are right I don't have and never will have any concrete data on this, some points I do disagree on is transparency, this is not a personal stab against Steven because I would guess it being a big part of his life and is automated for him but I would argue a big part of the live streams have nothing to do with transparency and everything to do with sales.

The reason I think this is because we don't ever get told anything about the actual development,

I think showing a showcase that doesn't look like the visuals of the actual game * whilst * actively selling and promoting at the same is not transparent. Furthermore, Whilst I agree and appreciate that Steven has put alot of his own money into the project you need to remember that once complete Steven is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, it's not out of the goodness of his heart and people need to stop using this as an excuse, either way, let's come back to this once A2 launches, one way or another one of us will eat our words and I hope that it is me and I'll be the first to admit it

The showcases show the game i don't know how you are making a argument against this...This is why its annoying because I'll told you repeatedly already that things will change, and some things won't be finished. You are trying to look at this as a early access or a complete game.

This is development there is going to be fluctuation on the level of polish you see on things but also the overall look of everything. If they are doing major lighting changes to the world that impacts every single art piece that players see. As Textures work with PBR which immensely effects the looking of the material on objects. When you are complaining about things looking different over development that is the first sign you are heavily nit picking and need to take as step back.

You also need you have realistic expectation and things can and will end up being scaled down on top of that, or they are just not optimized and not currently shown as strongly as they could be because of it.

I know you have complained about this already before, I'm unsure how many times it needs to be mentioned this is actual alpha development. And at the end of the day it can look great sure, but what matters more than anything is how the game plays and feels.

I play deadlock and that is in alpha stage and has some rough stuff sure but i hardly notice it because i have a lot more focus on the game. So long as its not going from looking good to looking like minecraft. And currently imo game world looks pretty good, and doesn't have the generic feeling i had from BDO with the limited places ive seen in AoC.

Mag7spy

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

I mean I was never complaining about the visuals, I was complaining that it was an exact copy and paste from 3 years prior, but I definitely don't agree it's one of the best dragon fights of all time, but I also don't really need it to be it's still an alpha, was never part of my criticism

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

You should check out guild wars 2 world boss dragons their quite cool, I've never actually played it but watched a bit and I think ashes should aim for something of this scope at a minimum as guild wars 2 is over a decade old now

Mag7spy

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

I mean I was never complaining about the visuals, I was complaining that it was an exact copy and paste from 3 years prior, but I definitely don't agree it's one of the best dragon fights of all time, but I also don't really need it to be it's still an alpha, was never part of my criticism

ok what other games dragons are visual on par with that one, if not better.

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

I mean I was never complaining about the visuals, I was complaining that it was an exact copy and paste from 3 years prior, but I definitely don't agree it's one of the best dragon fights of all time, but I also don't really need it to be it's still an alpha, was never part of my criticism

ok what other games dragons are visual on par with that one, if not better.

Any dragon fights in GW2

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

I mean I was never complaining about the visuals, I was complaining that it was an exact copy and paste from 3 years prior, but I definitely don't agree it's one of the best dragon fights of all time, but I also don't really need it to be it's still an alpha, was never part of my criticism

ok what other games dragons are visual on par with that one, if not better.

Also final fantasy

Mag7spy

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

To add a bit more, i think its wild to complain about visuals things when that was one of the best dragons ive seen in games. That work also translates to pretty much all other dragons they make as well btw. So the hard work is done when it comes to rigging and some animation elements they have they can use between them.

I mean I was never complaining about the visuals, I was complaining that it was an exact copy and paste from 3 years prior, but I definitely don't agree it's one of the best dragon fights of all time, but I also don't really need it to be it's still an alpha, was never part of my criticism

ok what other games dragons are visual on par with that one, if not better.

Also final fantasy

I think you may be missing the point but if you are going to be so open and say any dragon i suppose i can google.

Mag7spy

This one is cool and all and good for a dragon, final fantasy is top tier in what they do with their dragons. Though AoC one is better and has more detail as well as the animations and movements being better. Im going for realistic obviously so AoC is just a tier above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smfj16i9cs0

guild wars 2 concept is very interesting and cool, but again AoC hits a higher bar on realism for me and looks better in that sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUirl_RA58

Obviously the dragon for AoC being in unreal engine 5 kind of makes it have a pretty big advantage.

Sauronplay

This is a combination of several classic mmo games, including wow, archeage, lineage etc. There will be no action combat, as this game is classic it keeps the target combat.

It is basically a game for older people, it will not attract young people used to action combat. There is nothing new in this game and there is no innovation, everything is copy and paste from classic games.

Basically game made for older people. Niche game. So don't expect something modern like NW or Souls style.

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