Summoner wishlist

What are some ideas for summoner you wish to see?

I remember from other mmo summoner was unique with not just playing as your character but also micromanaging your "pet". It was hard to play but those who trained were then able to solo some bosses that other classes couldn't solo. That's what I'd like to see.

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SirChancelot

I still think it would be awesome to see a summoner with a unit cap type mechanic where they can choose between a swarm of base summons, a couple of specialized minions, or one big summon depending on the fight

And when they are at the unit cap the hot key to summon said minion becomes an active ability for those minions.

Beyond that I would expect you to play as support and fight through your minions.

Now if I really want to reach far...a while back I wrote about a summer/tank being able to tank through their minions and I still think that would be an amazing new play style option for tanks.

Pendragxn

No words needed…

Nightmarelol

Check out WoW’s Demonology Warlock (Hero Class: Diabloist)

Pretty much 100000% this ^

RationalThought

Summoner is my by far favorite class in games. Too bad it is usually poorly made. I think the main reason why developers don't like making summoners is because if made properly, it is a lot of extra work and balancing compared to other classes. It is hard to find a truly good summoner representation in games, especially MMORPGs. Usually it is one of the following:
- Summoner does most of the work, and few pets are mostly decorations acting as tools (for example, Aion).
- The summoner is absolutely useless by themselves, and pets do everything except give commands.
- "Summoner" has only one pet at a time, and this pet is chosen at the start of progression (basically a hunter with a wolf, but replace the wolf with an elemental or something).
- The most frustrating type is a "summoner," who is actually a classic mage, but all their skills are visually altered to look like summoned creatures (so instead of, say, a fireball it's a flying firebird that does exactly the same thing as the fireball).

So all this leads me to my first wish:
1) I wish Summoner and their summons were balanced in a way that they possessed equal (or close to) value. Let summoners both cast their own spells and give commands for summons to cast theirs.

2) My second wish is for utility. From my perspective, Summoners and Bards are the two classes that suit the most for out-of-combat useful skills. Personally, I think something like Family Summon would be the best. You can summon one of the players on your family list from anywhere as long as they accept the transportation notice and you have a costly ingredient for the ritual (sold at node vendors or crafted by artisans). Obviously, this skill comes with a huge cooldown. Let's say an hour or two.
The second idea for utility is weather manipulation. Summon rain, for example. We know that some weather conditions have an effect on skills or terrain (maybe it can effect crop growth on your farm?). Of course it should come with an appropriate cost and cooldown.

3) Seige golem for node wars. Maybe make 2 variations? One melee for destroying gates and walls and one representing catapult or trebuchet to target towers, buildings, and defenders?

4) Capturing creatures in the world so that you can summon them as pets. For example, pure Summoner (S/S) specializes in elementals. So you can't just capture any creature you like; you need to find those that represent your specialization. So you go in the dungeon under the mountain and capture fire elementals residing there near the lava lake. Or lets say you are a Summoner+Archer and your forte is forest animals. You go to the grove and look for elite bears to befrend. You are Summoner+Fighter? Its time to visit some abandoned mages tower and take control of living weapons. Fun, rewarding, unique.
If this concept is too ambitious and a nono, I personally want for summons to at least have visual progression. If you don't capture new creatures, your sceleton on LV 5 and sceleton on LV 50 should not look the same.

On a somewhat unrelated note. Have anyone seen Castlevania: Nocturne? I am in love with Maria's variation of a summoner.
https://youtu.be/kbDaene_w28?si=n184q4o8fDmy1hqP

Nesekme

don't like that summoners get just basic elemental's tbh i would like it more if he would summon random creature of appropriate lvl or something insted. but thats just personal gripe from playing summoners that like RationalThought mentioned were just mages.

also wil need to see that sieris i forgot about it

Depraved

i just want the summoner to give good single target mana recharge to a group member ;3 and of course, to be the debuff class.

regarding the pet, something like l2 pony ;3

willsummon

It was shown with the Showcase last Friday listed the skills for the playable Archetypes in AoC.

Among then was the Mage focusing on Fire, Ice, Lightning, and Arcane.

In the showcase for the Mage over a year ago, the Mage was shown to have a few Earth based magic spells, such as Earthquake.

It is possible such earth spells were place holder spells to be test using the Mage, that would eventually be used for the Summoner.

I would like to see the four schools for the Summoner being Earth, Water, Air, and Summoning (with utility abilities mixed in with the spells.)

Earth being main damage. Water being a mix of damage and healing. Air being a mix of damage over time and snares or stuns. Summoning will be basic, like golems and such. More advanced summoning being dependent which class is chosen.

nanfoodle

Summoner gives their life essance to summon a Rock Gholem. The Summoner life essance will pour into the Rock Gholem's body. The drain on the Summon Essance allows controls of the Gholem for 5min.

This would let the Summoner control the Tank like monster for 5 min. Though this creature has very little damage output. It can hold attention of anyone it sets focus to. When the Sumoners essance is consumed. The Gholem will fall to rubble and the Summoner will come back to life with 100hp and no mana.

EDIT: this would give enough time to finish a raid where a tank died. Maybe on a longer encounter a Cleric enough time to res the tank at the cost of losing the Summoner.

Aszkalon

Nightmarelol wrote: »

Check out WoW’s Demonology Warlock (Hero Class: Diabloist)

Pretty much 100000% this ^

I think one of the Reasons why dear Intrepid will probably not let us have something like "many smaller" Summons which we summon shortly - and which vanish after like Eight to Ten Seconds after attacking our Enemies,

is the Reason that in the very planned End of the Alpha, Beta, towards Release or afterwards - > they do plan indeed to have massive Battles of like Five Hundred versus Five Hundred People - right ?

Imagine every Side having like +100 Summoners or so, in Case they make the Summoner cool and fun enough so that many People want to play it - > and then EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. THEM. or so - summons at some Point like +7 Mobs/Summons to fight - even if for a short time.

I mean, okay. Maybe Intrepid WILL have the Server Strength and Stability to deal with this - but this would be an absolutely insane Mass of Models on the Battlefield.
Could easily overwhelm every Non-Elite Computer, wouldn't it ?

Syrea203

willsummon wrote: »

It was shown with the Showcase last Friday listed the skills for the playable Archetypes in AoC.

Among then was the Mage focusing on Fire, Ice, Lightning, and Arcane.

In the showcase for the Mage over a year ago, the Mage was shown to have a few Earth based magic spells, such as Earthquake.

It is possible such earth spells were place holder spells to be test using the Mage, that would eventually be used for the Summoner.

I would like to see the four schools for the Summoner being Earth, Water, Air, and Summoning (with utility abilities mixed in with the spells.)

Earth being main damage. Water being a mix of damage and healing. Air being a mix of damage over time and snares or stuns. Summoning will be basic, like golems and such. More advanced summoning being dependent which class is chosen.

That's an interesting catch there. You're absolutely correct mage did have some earth skills but lo and behold they're gone from the mage skill set. Curious...

ShivaFang

The first two are pretty much confirmed. Celestial and Demonology are unlikely.
your choice of secondary will determine this.
Summoner/Ranger will be a Beastmaster
Summoner/Wizard will have elementals
Summoner/Cleric will have undead (helpful spirits for life, zombies and skeletons for death)
etc.

Honestly this is probably partly why we don't see the summoner until Phase 3 when the first secondary classes are also introduced.

Dripyula wrote: »

Whatever the summoner class will be... I hope it features at least 4 or 5 art & theme directions with respective, different summons.
Like
° Necromancy
° Elementalism
° Demonology
° Celestials
° Faeish

And if you go deep into either one of these skilltree directions, you can summon stronger beings of those different planes.
Summoner is such a broad term.
And I'm really done with asking myself what I wanna see in a game in which I cannot even predict anything and which feels like its release might even be still 2 years away at least.

ShivaFang

Earth was a strange inclusion in that showcase, given that we know the Mage's augment schools are fire, ice, lightning and 'blink'.

I expect secondaries to add other elements to the Mage. Mage/cleric could change their skills holy beams and necrotic spells, Mage/rogue could have shadow magic, Mage/ranger could have nature based magic, and Mage/tank could modify their skills to be more like the earth spells we saw as well as other defensive support.

Syrea203 wrote: »

That's an interesting catch there. You're absolutely correct mage did have some earth skills but lo and behold they're gone from the mage skill set. Curious...

kanersen

I really hope they make the Summoner versatile. Some suggestions for spells

Pet Charge
Summoner Intervene to Pet
Summoner & Pet teleport switch locations
Pet Anti Magic Shell
Pet Physical Damage Reduction Shell
Pet Damage Split passive
Pet Damage Explosion
Single Pet powerup by sacrificing other pets
Pet Sacrifice Shield to Summoner
Sacrifice Pet for Summoner Mirror Illusion
Pet Inferno Shield
Pet knockdown
3 Pet Combine for a Single Attack

Renathras

Mainly, I want the Fighter/Mage/Cleric Swiss army knife. Blahblahblah hybrid-tax - don't care. I hate being useless in a group or waiting hours for a tank or healer if no one has one around/leveled. In games like FFXIV where a player can have multiple classes, I still gravitate to healers (my go-to in most games), but when I do swing to tank or DPS, I like ones like PLD or RDM which have spamable cures and more utility (Paladin having extra party mitigation and barrier tools and Red Mage having a combat raise while being a DPS Job). In WoW, I always went for Druids or Paladins.

I like things that can provide off-healing (or even main healing) or buffing, and while tanking is probably the thing I do least, I have no aversion to it and recognize it can be useful when doing some stuff like soloing or general better safety margin when farming, etc.

I'm not expecting Summoner to be able to replace a dedicated tank or healer or bard, but being able to do buffing when no Bard is around, healing when no Cleric is around, or at least some Tanking when no...uh...Tank (gods, that name needs changing... <_<) is around, would be something I'd highly value.

If SMN can't do this, I'll probably opt to play Bard instead, since it seems like you can at least do some off-healing or main heal low impact content on it, and the buffs and movement speed utility could be super useful.

I'd consider Cleric, what with being a healer main and all, but I'm not a fan of the "holy priest/churchy guy" aesthetic. I prefer more Druid or knowledge/sciency based healers (like FF14's Scholar or Sage), and at least what I've seen so far, Cleric seems overly...uh..."holy" aspected. In like...EVERYthing. To the point I can't squint hard enough to see it as something else. XD

MissionCreep

I don't want the summoner to automatically be considered to be engaged in combat when his pet is engaged in combat.

He can still gather or loot or whatever other non-combat activities there are. Ride atop a mount while the summon does all the work, things like that.

Obviously if he offers any kind of support or buff or healing or whatever else, then he's entered the combat.

Lodrig

MissionCreep wrote: »

I don't want the summoner to automatically be considered to be engaged in combat when his pet is engaged in combat.

He can still gather or loot or whatever other non-combat activities there are. Ride atop a mount while the summon does all the work, things like that.

Obviously if he offers any kind of support or buff or healing or whatever else, then he's entered the combat.

Bad idea, thouse combat restrictions exist for a reason and allowing an archetype to evade them would break things.

RationalThought

In almost all games I can remember (talking about MMORPG), you can gather or use quest items in combat, so it probably won't matter anyway. But yeah, you should be engaged in combat if your summon is.

Carlisle

A lot of Ccs

Tjaeden

My favorite summoner was the OG one from FF 11.

One 'main' summon out all the time, with a HUGE spell on a long (2 hour) CD. Pick the pet for the content.

I want to see huge magical avatars of creatures - paragons of animals or divine heralds.

The spells should be buff/debuff and CC.

Ideally, archetypes would apply to the summon, moreso than the summoner.

Aszkalon

Immortui wrote: »

What are some ideas for summoner you wish to see ?

THIS Picture here sums it all up. -> all of my (?) own Ideas and Wishes, which i hope and wish for, the Summoner will be able to do.

As i intend to play a Necromancer, in Case my edgy Avatar is not hint enough - Please nobody be awkward about this Picture being full of undead Minions.

Don't forget to open directly for Maximum Size. It is quite the cool Picture.

I doubt that Sir Steven and his mighty Crew plan to let all go like this for the Summoner -> or any specific Subclass/Specialisation the Summoner can go - > like for Example Necromancer,

but i would like to be able to choose my Summons. And maybe/also have a few rare, mighty Abilities i can use only once a Day or once every few Days.

I would like to be able to choose, if my undead Summons as a (dark/evil ?)-styled Necromancer who uses undead Bodies and Monstrosities instead of Ghosts, would be :

- > I can choose between if my smaller, minor Summons - are either Zombies - or Skeletons, or both.

-> If they are all Three either Melee Summons, - or Distance/Range-Summons like Skeleton- or Zombie Archers or so,
- or if they are undead Caster Type Summons, - or maybe even Summons with a minor Healing or Buffing Ability, if that wouldn't be to overpowered.

I know Summoners are told to have Three Summons, from the Wiki - but i hope we have a bit of Freedom and Variety to choose what exactly our Summons are. Aside from a Necromancer of Course using either Spirits, or Undead -> and an elemental-styled Summoner of Course Elemental Creatures.

- > Can i for Example - Please have the Ability - to summone ONCE per Day -> a huge, towering Flesh/Grave /Abomination-kind of undead Golem ?

While this Summon would be active -> i would of Course not be able to summon and use my Three normal/base Summons.

And while i hope such a humongous, colossal Golem of an Undead would be very tanky and strong -> meaning he can deal a LOT of Damage with his Strikes and tank an enormous Amount of Damage before he would collapse,

it could be very well balanced as in not being very overpowered -> by for Example making the Golem very slow and not being able to chase and corner Enemy Players easily.

My desired Thought would be, that he would be very powerful in a PvE-kind of Situation -> for Example against a single, stronger PvE-Mob,

or lets for Example against a "Group of Goblins" who try to run around -> he could have an UNBELIEVABLY cool looking Root/Rooting-Ability of "undead, boney Hands/Arms" coming out of the Ground nearby him -> doing a grabbing/pulling Animation around him,

and then all Enemy Mobs and/or Players would be "slowed down" by at least 50% or so - > as long as they are very close and near around him.

Like - > the undead (flesh?) kind of Golem would be very slow - but a huge Threat in very close Quarters and in Melee. Of Course only if you can't keep your Distance.

- > Or i could for Example have One or Two kind of undead Caster Units ("maybe just One") who can also slow a single Opponent/Mob/Player down a bit - with a magic Projectile for a bit. But just in way weaker as the Rooting-Effect of the huge, undead Golem.

And see the other two, huge and humongous Golems in the Background of this Picture ?

The Ones who look like they wear something like "huge Nameplates with lots of Skulls" on them ?

These Ones could be easily be displayed as EVEN WAY BIGGER than the undead Golem in the Middle, behind the Necromancer of this Picture.
Like EASILY double to three Times the Size of the normal, undead Golem.

They could be " SIEGE-Golems " of Necromancer-Origin. Spreading around a poisonous "Necrotic Damage" in the form of a gassy Cloud or something - making Enemy Players standing on Walls to defend against a Siege cough and gasp when being nearby them,

slowing down People's Casting-Time somewhat - or slowing down "Heals" of the affected Enemies as well.

So much Potential here. I am not joking around. I truly mean it.

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