Leveling Speed

Wiki says the following:

On release the developers anticipate max level should be attainable in approximately 45 days if playing 4-6 hours per day.

This is equal to ~225 hours to reach level 50. What is your opinion about it? Would you like it to be faster or slower?

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nanfoodle

Loved Narc's response when he found out 100hr to get to 25. I'm sure he and his many, many followers will be a nice addition to this thread. We gonna have to back Steven up on this one. 220hrs is worth what it does to a game like this.

https://youtu.be/dgn6tjkkMQc?si=WUhRd38R_yqP22Yw

Flanker

nanfoodle wrote: »

Loved Narc's response when he found out 100hr to get to 25. I'm sure he and his many, many followers will be a nice addition to this thread. We gonna have to back Steven up on this one. 220hrs is worth what it does to a game like this.

I don't think it had anything to do with the game post-launch, as he was talking about those 100 hours in the context of Alpha 2, pointing out that it may be a lot, taking into account the fact that during phase 1 we will only have 3 days/week to play. That, however, can be easily fixed by adjusting XP rates and/or giving some XP boosts to players, if Intrepid wants them to test some level 25 content specifically

Electronn

Flanker you have way more stamina than I could have imagined.

Persistent AF. Wow. Actually impressive tbh.

But I'm still not counting out Dygz. Dude is legendary.

Intrepid is going to need to hire a full time employee to parse this thread (and the sister thread). I'm not reading it, that's for sure.

Aszkalon

People who think they want the Fifty Levels of the released, finished Game - levelled up as fast as for Example they can level now in the current Days of Worst of Warcraft,

don't seem to realise how much Depth and Weight they would take away from Verra and their own Game Experience.

Believe me, Guys. Slower is more sometimes. We are not running a Marathon. We are venturing into one of the newest and probably last, great Journeys of our MMO Lifetime.

Godbrithil

Personally, I’m a big fan of long and drawn-out leveling phases. I want to feel that I’ve achieved a lot and invested just as much to reach that level – my character is developing, not just getting a flyer that says, “Congrats, you’re 50 now.” Most people don’t even get a real sense of their class, its combat mechanics, rotation, and skills if you’re gaining 5 levels per quest with the push of a button.

In many games nowadays, leveling is seen as a burden and is just used as a means to stretch out the content. But if it’s well integrated, as Steven seems to have in mind, you can tie the content directly to the level, which takes things to another level. This way, old content doesn't get lost either, because it still retains its relevance.
In my opinion, it could even be a bit slower.

Azherae

Aszkalon wrote: »

People who think they want the Fifty Levels of the released, finished Game - levelled up as fast as for Example they can level now in the current Days of Worst of Warcraft,

don't seem to realise how much Depth and Weight they would take away from Verra and their own Game Experience.

Believe me, Guys. Slower is more sometimes. We are not running a Marathon. We are venturing into one of the newest and probably last, great Journeys of our MMO Lifetime.

Good thing there isn't anyone like that in this thread, considering the leveling time in WoW.

Caeryl

Aszkalon wrote: »

People who think they want the Fifty Levels of the released, finished Game - levelled up as fast as for Example they can level now in the current Days of Worst of Warcraft,

don't seem to realise how much Depth and Weight they would take away from Verra and their own Game Experience.

Believe me, Guys. Slower is more sometimes. We are not running a Marathon. We are venturing into one of the newest and probably last, great Journeys of our MMO Lifetime.

225 hours to adventure level 50, aka 45 days, for a long playtime, every-day player is in fact slow leveling, and most people are pretty happy about it staying in that ballpark give or take a week or two depending on how dedicated you are to adventuring progress specifically.

Extending the leveling process only serves to make it more difficult for players to enter the game after launch, because Ashes is an open world PvP game where being ten levels down will make or break your competitiveness, and if you're not competitive, you'll have difficulty accessing content that you need in order to gain proper exp and levels.

Flanker

Caeryl wrote: »

225 hours to adventure level 50, aka 45 days, for a long playtime, every-day player is in fact slow leveling, and most people are pretty happy about it staying in that ballpark give or take a week or two depending on how dedicated you are to adventuring progress specifically.

You consider it "slow" because your frame of reference is based on modern MMOs where leveling is more of a formality, than the actual journey.

Caeryl wrote: »

Extending the leveling process only serves to make it more difficult for players to enter the game after launch, because Ashes is an open world PvP game where being ten levels down will make or break your competitiveness, and if you're not competitive, you'll have difficulty accessing content that you need in order to gain proper exp and levels.

> If you think that someone who joined the game 3 months after the launch will be able to compete against players who played since launched, consider thinking about it again.
> There will be plenty of factors that will contribute to much faster leveling of a new player after launch. They are #2 and #3 in the first post of this thread: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/60737/ashes-of-creation-must-dodge-this-bullet/p1 - technically, you can also add #9 in terms of more taverns with rested XP buff available to new players.
> This point, despite being somewhat valid technically, absolutely does not outweigh the points #1, #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8 in the thread above. Not even mentioning the effect that longer leveling has on player's retention and longevity.

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