Corruption system = anti pvp system

Every server is a PVE server with small pockets of PvP allowed to happen. These pockets are end game currently and there is zero PvP else where.

I attempted to PvP someone 2 levels higher then myself only to find them to run instead of fight. i chased and killed them.

i then lost all of my weapons for this. How is this balanced in any way he lost some gatherable goods I.E. moments of work where as i lost all of my gear progression for daring to PvP ONE PLAYER ONCE... NOT TWO NOT THREE NOT FOUR.

i killed one player and lost everything. This game is NOT a PVX GAME!!!

It was said to have an ANTI GRIEF system it's ANTI PvP system.

Clear and simple YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PVP ANYONE AT ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THE LAWLESS ZONES...

IF PVP WAS A PART OF THIS GAME WHY ARE THERE ONLY 2 AREAS OUT OF THE ENTIRE ALPHA AND WHY ARE THE END GAME?!?!?! This game had one instance of asmongold getting camped and u respond with such over kill that it ruins the game for anyone else who enjoys fair pvp.

P.S. the fix is very simple PVP in the same level bracket or higher have no corruption unless you kill that same person more then once.. done idky we need to decimate and entire game claiming to be PVX because ONE streamer got ganked.

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Its_Me

PresentPotato wrote: »

Clear and simple YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PVP ANYONE AT ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THE LAWLESS ZONES...

Not sure what server you are on but try rolling on Resna as people often run around flagged up indicating they want pvp. I have seen and been involved in plenty of resource area pvp battles where players will suddenly flag on each other. I also see pvp activity all over the map and it routinely happens even inside of city nodes.

If you are not staying flagged, you really should not complain about pvp not happening. 😉

The situation you described was one where you attempted to pvp someone that did not want to pvp, a peaceful non-combatant and suffered the corruption penalty for doing so.

Although I do not agree that the current corruption mechanic is anti-pvp, I do agree that it is anti- forced pvp when it comes to players killing players that do not wish to pvp. You still were able force pvp upon the person that elected to remain a non-combatant, you just have a penalty for doing so.

I think to encourage more pvp, they could enact a risk vs reward incentive for more people to run around flagged such as a higher xp gain for doing so.

Rym

PresentPotato wrote: »

Every server is a PVE server with small pockets of PvP allowed to happen. These pockets are end game currently and there is zero PvP else where.

I attempted to PvP someone 2 levels higher then myself only to find them to run instead of fight. i chased and killed them.

i then lost all of my weapons for this. How is this balanced in any way he lost some gatherable goods I.E. moments of work where as i lost all of my gear progression for daring to PvP ONE PLAYER ONCE... NOT TWO NOT THREE NOT FOUR.

i killed one player and lost everything. This game is NOT a PVX GAME!!!

It was said to have an ANTI GRIEF system it's ANTI PvP system.

Clear and simple YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PVP ANYONE AT ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THE LAWLESS ZONES...

IF PVP WAS A PART OF THIS GAME WHY ARE THERE ONLY 2 AREAS OUT OF THE ENTIRE ALPHA AND WHY ARE THE END GAME?!?!?! This game had one instance of asmongold getting camped and u respond with such over kill that it ruins the game for anyone else who enjoys fair pvp.

P.S. the fix is very simple PVP in the same level bracket or higher have no corruption unless you kill that same person more then once.. done idky we need to decimate and entire game claiming to be PVX because ONE streamer got ganked.

Skill issue.

You lost your gear because you committed murder and an unhonorable kill against an innocent player, then you were hunted down and killed by bounty hunters which looted your gear and either sold it or are enjoying it right now.

The corrupption system isn't even in full effect right now, it will get harsher.

1 auto attack is enough to signal the other player you want a duel. If you wanted honorable kills against unsuspecting players, wait for the desert region to fully release. PvP mode is always enabled in those lawless zones, and whether someone fights back or not won't matter there.

Elder Scrolls

I remember the days I was in Tibia and someone pks you and you lose your BP and 2 Eq items, good times for them awful for me...

If ashes wants success it needs to make sure killing players has a high price

PresentPotato

Even so first time offenses should not be so harsh.

gadann

Has there been discussion about a toggle pvp on/off system that would allow the player to basically only gain experience in the open world via quests or monster kills, but blocking them out of any other interactions in the world.

This would heavily incentivize people to play the game "normally" but if they for some reason would not want to be part of the social environment of the game, then they would have the option to do so. Just like people who want to be able to kill anyone they see fit.

Basically it's hard for me to give precise feedback as I'm not fully aware of the things currently in the game or planned for it but as an example:
A player opting to only play it as a singleplayer pve game experience (which the game is not designed for) they would be blocked out of f.ex:
gathering crafting materials & returning materials for node improvements, providing experience to a node, grouping up with others, potential openworld events, boss loot etc.
Alot of things could be prohibited and probably listed here and suggestions are welcome.

I get it that playing the game like that isnt... what one would generally want, but it does prove the opportunity for the player to play the game, level up in peace and eventually join the game when they're comfortable doing so.
This type of a system does the same thing in the opposing way as the game treats other gameplay aspects too - --giving the player the ultimate freedom to do whatever they want.

caine12

The game will lose 30-40% of their player base if there isn't pvp free areas up to level 50. If Intrepid wants to make money - they will not ignore this plain fact. New players won't come in, it will become pay-to-win - just ask EVE.

souldaze86

I agree with the OP. PvP shouldn't have such a risk to it. If it's griefing then yes the corruption mechanic should hit kinda hard but you should be able to go and smack down someone that is looting your corpse after ya'll just wiped on a raid boss or someone that is mining an ore that you need. Specially with how rare copper and zinc is in this game as it stands. PvP shouldn't have a death sentence when it's outside of a town and due to people resing at a gy vs ghost walking to your corpse its really hard to camp players. If you want to go out in the world there should be a risk of PvP and you need to be mindful of your surroundings. That being said we need something of a hearth mechanic.

One situation i seen was that there was a player killing other players and his buddy was looting the corpses while not flagged. You shouldn't get corruption for killing his buddy. If you got stolen stuff in your inventory you should not count towards the corruption system.

Maybe they could put up protective domes around starting areas and make it so the corruption system comes from some type of deity. Build protection and a strong reaction for corruption via a method that discourages it in the beginning but as you venture out further away from that protection the risk becomes higher and the penalty for PvP becomes less.

Smaashley

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

Its_Me

Smaashley wrote: »

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

This described a pve game.

PresentPotato

Its_Me wrote: »

Smaashley wrote: »

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

This described a pve game.

almost like you need a server for people who think this way ... hmmmm what could that be ?

oh ... ya.... a PVE server and a PVP server

Smaashley

Its_Me wrote: »

Smaashley wrote: »

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

This described a pve game.

No, it's still a PvX game because there are still areas that we must PvP, like caravans, Guild Wars, Node sieges, open world bosses and, possibly in the future, Points of Interest. Open world PvP isn't consensual because you have no idea if somebody will attack you for whatever reason. In the systems mentioned above, the player is notified that it is an open PvP field.

You should check back your definition of a PvE server. A PvE server doesn't have any form of PvP element in it.

Wethion

PresentPotato wrote: »

I attempted to PvP someone 2 levels higher then myself only to find them to run instead of fight. i chased and killed them.

i then lost all of my weapons for this.

Well, then you got what you deserved. Fight people who want to fight, not people who don't want to fight.

Its_Me

Smaashley wrote: »

Its_Me wrote: »

Smaashley wrote: »

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

This described a pve game.

No, it's still a PvX game because there are still areas that we must PvP, like caravans, Guild Wars, Node sieges, open world bosses and, possibly in the future, Points of Interest. Open world PvP isn't consensual because you have no idea if somebody will attack you for whatever reason. In the systems mentioned above, the player is notified that it is an open PvP field.

You should check back your definition of a PvE server. A PvE server doesn't have any form of PvP element in it.

It was a purposeful sarcastic over-emphasis of a point (cann't be touched without permission = pve) for effect.

Its_Me

PresentPotato wrote: »

Its_Me wrote: »

Smaashley wrote: »

I actually think that non-consensual PvP shouldn't exist. It's like non-consensual sex, it's not allowed. You don't touch somebody that doesn't want to be touched simply because it's not fun.

This described a pve game.

almost like you need a server for people who think this way ... hmmmm what could that be ?

oh ... ya.... a PVE server and a PVP server

I would not mind pve and pvp servers as it would keep all the whining snowflakes off of servers they have no business playing on. Oh wait..... they will still insist on playing on them and whining when pvp happens on a pvp server.... 🤣

Nephleim

PresentPotato wrote: »

IF PVP WAS A PART OF THIS GAME WHY ARE THERE ONLY 2 AREAS OUT OF THE ENTIRE ALPHA AND WHY ARE THE END GAME?!?!?! This game had one instance of asmongold getting camped and u respond with such over kill that it ruins the game for anyone else who enjoys fair pvp. .

this is a game in alpha 2. nothing is set in stone, nothing is fine tuned. Your example is of someone getting camped/griefed and they can't play or do anything now. You killed someone then got killed yourself unprepared (im guessing as you lost stuff). yes its a bit extreme right now at this moment in time but again you did something full knowing the weight of your actions and wasn't prepared for the case of you getting caught.

people have right to test in a peaceful environment without lunatics running around pvping every second of every day making it hard to get testing done and making sure stuff gets tuned outside of bloodthristy players

ratbait

PVP/PVE servers are fine for a few months till the PVP servers population is so low its players are transfered to a merged server,where those players eventually eat each other to the point even half of them get sick of it cause now they are the sheep for bigger and better wolves and all left your left with is a minuscule population scrapping it out with 2 main guilds, sometimes 1 rules everything and smaller guilds just leave.
And you left with a server thats not even worth the cost to maintain it because population is so low.

PresentPotato

ratbait wrote: »

PVP/PVE servers are fine for a few months till the PVP servers population is so low its players are transfered to a merged server,where those players eventually eat each other to the point even half of them get sick of it cause now they are the sheep for bigger and better wolves and all left your left with is a minuscule population scrapping it out with 2 main guilds, sometimes 1 rules everything and smaller guilds just leave.
And you left with a server thats not even worth the cost to maintain it because population is so low.

This is the exact opposite problem in WOW in every shape and way currently the only servers left are PVP which the PVE andies flocked to due to player loss on their servers because its boring to have zero conflict.

PresentPotato

It was a purposeful sarcastic over-emphasis of a point (cann't be touched without permission = pve) for effect.

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He does NOT understand that everything he just said is PVE... oh you silly PVE Andies

ratbait

True wow has alot of pvp server population In the US,not abroad but thats because alot of the wow pve crowd went to final fantasy and other games,was not always like that.But wow is IMO the go too game for MMO pvp right now,no one is really doing it better so theres that,New World is functional tho as a pvp game.

PresentPotato

New World has awful PVE in every way shape and form and has no end game loop worth mentioning

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