Linux Support For Alpha2 (and possibly launch)

How many votes does the community need to get for Intrepid to consider linux support for AoC?
I give my vote +1

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ichihaifu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The thing with this is - it is Linux that needs to step up to the plate, not game developers.

Rather than people complaining to game developers that "but this game supports Linux, why can't you?", they should instead be asking "what is it you need from Linux in order to support your game, I'll go bug them with that information for you".

The day Torvalds bends the knee and takes away kernel access just so gaming companies can "trust" the platform is when all hope in this world is lost.

I agree.

Which is why ever expecting game developers of competitive games to support Linux is not realistic.

I mean, if you were developing a game that players would leave if there was a lot of cheating, would you support an additional 2% of players if doing so meant allowing your game to be used in an environment where you were basically helpless at stopping cheating?

This is why casual games on Linux are generally fine, but competitive games are not.

Your notion that validation should be in the hands of game developers is misguided. If this were the case, it would mean that every game developer studio would need to be expert at that kind of security - a completely unreasonable thing to expect.

It would also see most games not further develop their security.

So no, passing this off to a third party isn't showing a lack of taking it seriously, it is showing an understanding that a company that specializes in this will always be better at it than a company that specializes in game development.

You not liking it doesn't mean it isn't the best current method.

As an aside, people not wanting kernel level access anti-cheat software on their computer (which includes me), have a single source of hope thst this may one day end. The problem is, many people won't like it.

That single source is the simple fact that Microsoft don't want applications like EAC to have kernel access, and so are likely to work on other ways of providing that kind of surety.

Noaani

Novacadian wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

RazThemun wrote: »

Heck they could just do a poll in their discord; Asking who uses linux? Results would likely be less than 5% of the discord community.

Steam Hardware Survey from last month still has less than 2% of Steam users (aka, PC gamers) as using Linux. There is no need for any further survey.

That may be deceptive. My gaming laptop has a dual boot setup. Most of the gaming done is through Windows 10. This is not by preference but through need. So Steam may rate me outside of the 2% when my preference is 100% Linux. Just a thought.

It may also be deceptive in the other direction.

There absolutely are people that play a number of games that would opt to use windows if that were available to them - however the cheats they wish to use only work on Linux.

TheeJonesyBoy

Has anyone figured out the steam deck install route? I have gotten to install the EOC anticheat then it goes to repair or remove the launcher and clicking either or does nothing

ichihaifu

TheeJonesyBoy wrote: »

Has anyone figured out the steam deck install route? I have gotten to install the EOC anticheat then it goes to repair or remove the launcher and clicking either or does nothing

There is another thread with efforts on going trying to solve the launcher puzzle, tune in to that one.

Noaani wrote: »

Which is why ever expecting game developers of competitive games to support Linux is not realistic.

I mean, if you were developing a game that players would leave if there was a lot of cheating, would you support an additional 2% of players if doing so meant allowing your game to be used in an environment where you were basically helpless at stopping cheating?

This is entirely platform irrelevant. Cheating will never cease to exist and it doesn't matter what platform and what client measures you take, unless you address it at the hosting end.

The game services need to be responsible for validating player activity.
Moving out of bounds? Track player coordinates and trigger a ban if they are out of bounds or too far above ground too long/too many times.
Moving too fast? Same thing.
Targeting through terrain? I think they already have triggers for this.
Item duplication? Basic mathematics.
Invulnerability? Monitor player health and combat states.

List goes on and on, there is nearly no scenario an online game cannot account for and there are countless existing techniques employed in other games if the creativity runs dry.

Clients are only good for keeping honest people honest. Its the same as a locked door. If there is a will, there is a way.

The reason we are seeing cheating in online games (particularly mmo's) is because it is not profitable for the gaming companies to go after them too hard. Take world of warcraft for example, they are absolutely aware of all the cheating and botting going on and they could, with a press of a button, take care of it permanently and forever, but there is financial incentive to let the bots and cheaters keep going, so they do not. And they have no need for any kind of anti cheating systems on clients for that.

Uncommon Sense

I'm on win10 and have no intention to upgrade to win11 even though i have the option...

with win10 EOL 2025 I will at some point be making the switch to Linux.

I have no plans to support Micro$oft anymore, either financially or through my personal data collection.

Would appreciate if Ashes had official Linux support...which has been discussed and with enough interest Intrepid has considered it with enough support/interest

Official Linux distribution would be great, but I will either dual boot and keep win10 beyond EOL

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