Corruption system = anti pvp system

Every server is a PVE server with small pockets of PvP allowed to happen. These pockets are end game currently and there is zero PvP else where.

I attempted to PvP someone 2 levels higher then myself only to find them to run instead of fight. i chased and killed them.

i then lost all of my weapons for this. How is this balanced in any way he lost some gatherable goods I.E. moments of work where as i lost all of my gear progression for daring to PvP ONE PLAYER ONCE... NOT TWO NOT THREE NOT FOUR.

i killed one player and lost everything. This game is NOT a PVX GAME!!!

It was said to have an ANTI GRIEF system it's ANTI PvP system.

Clear and simple YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PVP ANYONE AT ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THE LAWLESS ZONES...

IF PVP WAS A PART OF THIS GAME WHY ARE THERE ONLY 2 AREAS OUT OF THE ENTIRE ALPHA AND WHY ARE THE END GAME?!?!?! This game had one instance of asmongold getting camped and u respond with such over kill that it ruins the game for anyone else who enjoys fair pvp.

P.S. the fix is very simple PVP in the same level bracket or higher have no corruption unless you kill that same person more then once.. done idky we need to decimate and entire game claiming to be PVX because ONE streamer got ganked.

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Mork

PresentPotato wrote: »

This does not work in WoW because theres noooo incentive to flag up and the their pvp combat is beyond pure trash dogpoo vomit

Classic wow had PVP servers where u couldnt turn it off guy... jesus christ u make pvpers look dumb af
clearly never played classic wow and are just lying trying to sound cool i bet i find out ur a retail player

WoW is not only classic
Theres Wow Retail , theres Wow Classic. I was talking about the WoW Retail toggle pvp system they have going on now as a comparisson.
I have no words for you, that comment is so idiotic im just not even going to comment more

ruxa

1 open world, no corruption pvp games are very small
2 majority of players interested in this game dont want what you want

there's no reason to switch to no corruption, bc open pvp players are insignificant

kadimir

Current system is too harsh on PvP.

I get the 'risk vs reward' is a theme that everyone likes to throw around, but the reality is simple - the worse the penalties = the less pvp. The real question is how much pvp do you want?

Crazy as it sounds, TERA when it launched was fun for me because you could flag to no real detriment. You could kill the players trying to farm in your spot and they could kill you back. If you killed someone too low you'd be stuck flagged for a bit.

So if you want real pvp, that's how you get it. If you want only big guilds to be allow to bully random players - keep the karma system, where outside of a guild, extra high end gear loss is too prohibitive to participate at all.

I know this isn't how most of the community feels certainly not likely to be an opinion Steven will have, but that's what the system it's modelled after allows. Other full loot games have systems that make most gear much easier to obtain and disposable. The "vision" is stuck following the lineage II formula which will devolve into only guilds fighting it out, not the dream of node conflict.

ruxa

kadimir wrote: »

Current system is too harsh on PvP.

I get the 'risk vs reward' is a theme that everyone likes to throw around, but the reality is simple - the worse the penalties = the less pvp. The real question is how much pvp do you want?

open world pvp is an insignificant type of pvp compared to caravan, guild, and node pvp

the majority of potential players do not want to engage in constant pvp everywhere they go; a certain amount of pvp is exactly what majority of potential players want . to you, this is less pvp, and yes that's a good thing

open world pvpers are an insignificant minority- and they need to understand this

kadimir

ruxa wrote: »

no risk pvp

kadimir wrote: »

Current system is too harsh on PvP.

I get the 'risk vs reward' is a theme that everyone likes to throw around, but the reality is simple - the worse the penalties = the less pvp. The real question is how much pvp do you want?

open world pvp is an insignificant type of pvp compared to caravan, guild, and node pvp

the majority of potential players do not want to engage in constant pvp everywhere they go

open world pvpers are an insignificant minority- people need to understand this

I'm sure you have the numbers on insignificant minority?

The threat of being ganked is the only fun part of the grind for me. If anything I find myself more frustrated in games when you can't simply fight another player for a prime spot. I know in Aion I had periods I'd get filthy rich farming baluar on my alt - and part of what made grinding so sustainable was that I would always have to deal with the turf wars. There were times on both my characters from the alpha that I wish I could just flag and fight the other players trying to farm my spot... but again, current system makes it a really bad decision, as it's almost all risk, no reward. I'm not that serious about AoC, I think there's a place for a game like this, but the way the systems are designed lead to a very boring dynamic - where big guilds simply bully anyone else with impunity.

ruxa

I'm sure you have the numbers on insignificant minority?

The threat of being ganked is the only fun part of the grind for me. If anything I find myself more frustrated in games when you can't simply fight another player for a prime spot. I know in Aion I had periods I'd get filthy rich farming baluar on my alt - and part of what made grinding so sustainable was that I would always have to deal with the turf wars. There were times on both my characters from the alpha that I wish I could just flag and fight the other players trying to farm my spot... but again, current system makes it a really bad decision, as it's almost all risk, no reward. I'm not that serious about AoC, I think there's a place for a game like this, but the way the systems are designed lead to a very boring dynamic - where big guilds simply bully anyone else with impunity.

look at the people on this forum itself, you'd be dishonest if you think majority want no corruption open pvp

and if this community doesnt want it, you think more mainstream mmo communities would?

also look at the numbers of current open world centric pvp mmos right now- eve online does not have many players. neither do gloria invictis or mortal online 2

all this indicates you are in the minority

why dont you play one of those games???

kadimir

ruxa wrote: »

I'm sure you have the numbers on insignificant minority?

The threat of being ganked is the only fun part of the grind for me. If anything I find myself more frustrated in games when you can't simply fight another player for a prime spot. I know in Aion I had periods I'd get filthy rich farming baluar on my alt - and part of what made grinding so sustainable was that I would always have to deal with the turf wars. There were times on both my characters from the alpha that I wish I could just flag and fight the other players trying to farm my spot... but again, current system makes it a really bad decision, as it's almost all risk, no reward. I'm not that serious about AoC, I think there's a place for a game like this, but the way the systems are designed lead to a very boring dynamic - where big guilds simply bully anyone else with impunity.

look at the people on this forum itself, you'd be dishonest if you think majority want no corruption open pvp

and if this community doesnt want it, you think more mainstream mmo communities would?

also look at the numbers of current open world centric pvp mmos right now- eve online does not have many players. neither do gloria invictis or mortal online 2

all this indicates you are in the minority

why dont you play one of those games???

I'm not asking for anything, simply putting it out there, as it stands the game actually discourages most pvp, and based on the games that have a similar system, a very predictable result(desired or not) is what you'll get.

I'm not that invested in what the game does, I'm just stating the reality - all of this sandbox risk vs reward talk ultimately boils down to being a luxury only larger guilds will be able to participate in, due to the risks for engaging in pvp being extremely discouraging from anyone else

daleybobs

I think there are definitely two mindsets starting to emerge here;

One side doesn't like the penalties of being killed in open-world PvP, and the other side doesn't like the penalties of killing in open-world PvP.

Regardless of what side you're on, I think its agreed that there's problems with the current system, and it's discouraging the players of all kinds from wanting to engage.

mainedutch

PresentPotato wrote: »

This is almost a 1:1 pull from Archage. You know, the PvP MMO? That one?

which failed HARD ! you know that game? the one that failed so hard on its face ya good reason to copy it huh ? how about mmos that still exist like the OG classic wow ? oh its still around and broke the internet when it release in 2020. but ya lets model this game after a dead mmo that u cant play anymore.

ArcheAge failed because of its pay to win, not because of its PvP. I was there. I was in one of the first guilds to kill the Kraken in North America. Also, ArcheAges PvP was world class and did it better than any MMO out there.

Steven created Intrepid Studios because of this too: he loved ArcheAge, it went pay to win, so he launched a Kickstarter to make Ashes of Creation with the vision of being a bigger, better ArcheAge.

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about about. You're just spewing nonsense at this point.

mainedutch

daleybobs wrote: »

I think there are definitely two mindsets starting to emerge here;

One side doesn't like the penalties of being killed in open-world PvP, and the other side doesn't like the penalties of killing in open-world PvP.

Regardless of what side you're on, I think its agreed that there's problems with the current system, and it's discouraging the players of all kinds from wanting to engage.

The systems not even done.

And this game without corruption is not a game at all. None of these PvPers (all of which can't spell or type for some reason) do not understand that.

Corruption is intentionally over tuned because of the Alpha. I agree, it's a lot, and hope it gets toned down. But that barrier 100% needs to remain.

(Disclaimer: I'm adding on to what you're saying and not directing this toward you)

eastonl

its your fault for going corrupted in your best gear not knowing how the system works.

You can chop some trees and buy basic gear again.

Game needs no PVE only server. If you don't like the Devs vision - don't play bro.

QQ

Dygz

PresentPotato wrote: »

Having corruption is NOT CONTENT. its a punishment system that serves to only take away from the game and protect people who would grief you in other ways I.E. PVE adnies such as ur self

Corruption during Phase 1 is a balancing issue; not a stability issue.
Phase 1 is about stability testing.

Okeydoke

The corruption system is too harsh. That's my 2 cents. But I keep hearing it's only temporarily this harsh for A2 circumstances and testing purposes. I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere but maybe I just missed it. Can't say I agree with everything the OP and others have said...but yeah. Most people have been expecting a fairly harsh corruption system for years, especially as you scale up in corruption. But this, the current state of it, is comically harsh. And it definitely seems to be less about stopping griefing and more about stopping pvx/pvp.

What are we at, 3 weekends of A2 now? I've been pked once. And that pk is the only time I've even been attacked, period. I am level 19. I am unguilded. I've gotten to level 19 spending about 90% of that time solo grinding. I've been attacked ONCE. And the guy who killed me didn't even go red after he killed me, so wasn't even a real pk. He must have been exploiting some kind of bug. He was a ranger, maybe the ranger thorns bug or something.

I personally don't want to constantly be attacked and killed. But this, in it's current state, is a meme. I hope it's temporary like people have said and that at some point we'll get around to testing the Ashes we've been sold for years.

CROW3

PresentPotato wrote: »

with the corruption system as it stands no one will pvp for any reason no matter the mats.

Agreed - Especially considering the corruption system as it stands doesn’t reflect the final version, since this is Alpha 2. This is all part of a testing effort, with a vast amount of change still ahead of us for years. Intrepid has been pretty transparent about what to expect.

If that’s not your cup of tea, just come back later.

Kilion

PresentPotato wrote: »

i then lost all of my weapons for this. How is this balanced in any way he lost some gatherable goods I.E. moments of work where as i lost all of my gear progression for daring to PvP ONE PLAYER ONCE... NOT TWO NOT THREE NOT FOUR.

It's not and it was never inteded to be balanced at this stage.

From the Wiki: "This phase is focused on testing scalability, stability, performance, and progression."
A lot of people seem to have trouble with believing Intrepid when they let people know a specific intent for something.

PresentPotato wrote: »

This game is NOT a PVX GAME!!!

yes, this is not a game indeed. What's new?

Githal

eastonl wrote: »

its your fault for going corrupted in your best gear not knowing how the system works.

You can chop some trees and buy basic gear again.

Game needs no PVE only server. If you don't like the Devs vision - don't play bro.

QQ

How the system works is the problem tho. And the problem is that the system punishes EVERY kill on green players. The only players that the corruption should punish is the griefers. Not those that kill for opportunity.

Blip

Its_Me wrote: »

Blip wrote: »

Ii always happens OP Cearbeers invade a PvP MMO and fuck it up.
Intrepid buckled faster then i toght they would.

Hmmmm.... or perhaps it is just a lot of pseudo-PVP players that only want an advantage fight that refuse to flag up for real PVP that would rather focus non-combatants that have no interest (and likely no gear or experience) in PVP that like to think of themselves as hardcore PVPrs? 🤔

DOnt know i flag for resources, grind spots and what ever.
If i die i lost if i win that thing is mine.

Cant do that now.

Boring

PresentPotato

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about about. You're just spewing nonsense at this point.[/quote]

The game failed period and many other games failed due to same reasons. i point to wow classic as it was the most popular mmo of all time. stop acting like you know things XD

Its_Me

Blip wrote: »

Its_Me wrote: »

Blip wrote: »

Ii always happens OP Cearbeers invade a PvP MMO and fuck it up.
Intrepid buckled faster then i toght they would.

Hmmmm.... or perhaps it is just a lot of pseudo-PVP players that only want an advantage fight that refuse to flag up for real PVP that would rather focus non-combatants that have no interest (and likely no gear or experience) in PVP that like to think of themselves as hardcore PVPrs? 🤔

DOnt know i flag for resources, grind spots and what ever.
If i die i lost if i win that thing is mine.

Cant do that now.

Boring

You can run around flagged, you can flag when you see someone else flagged, you can flag and toss a couple basic attacks at someone to tell them you want to PVP and see if they will flag back.

I would be bored too if I had no pvp during test so I make sure I do, I just do not attack non-combatants and watch my damage during combat to make sure I am focusing a flagged player.

Dygz

Githal wrote: »

How the system works is the problem tho. And the problem is that the system punishes EVERY kill on green players. The only players that the corruption should punish is the griefers. Not those that kill for opportunity.

If you want to kill for opportunity without penalties - kill Purples and Reds, rather than Greens.
Especially since Phase 1 is a stability test; not a killing spree FFA on Greens testers.

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