Max Gear Rarity For Any Level: Future Concern

So as it currently is in alpha 2, you can craft any gear as a legendary item regardless of that gears level requirement, as long as you have equal rarity materials/gear that boosts your quality of what you craft. (I am aware that quality boosts are being adjusted)

The issue that I predict with this is that if this remains the way it is, players will build "hand-me-down" Maxxed out Legendary gear for each level bracket to rush content exponentially faster than intended for a fresh character. Upgrading to their next 10 level bracket Legendary and passing it on.

Whether or not this would be intended is up in the air. However, to me it not only potentially dumbs down leveling alt characters, It also drastically reduces how special and satisfying high tier rarity items feel upon acquiring them.

What would I suggest to deter this? Lock rarity to level brackets. This can apply to both Adventuring and Artisan Level as far as being able to acquire the rarity of materials, craft them, and actually use the gear.

Level 1-9 (Novice) - Common and Uncommon Materials/Gear
Level 10-19 (Apprentice) - Common, Uncommon, and Rare Materials/Gear
Level 20-29 (Journeyman) - Common, Uncommon, Rare, and Heroic Materials/Gear
Level 30-39 (Master) - Common, Uncommon, Rare, Heroic, and Epic Materials/Gear
Level 40-50 (Grandmaster) - Common, Uncommon, Rare, Heroic, Epic, and Legendary Materials/Gear
Level 50 - Common, Uncommon, Rare, Heroic, Epic, Legendary, and Relic/Artifact Materials/Gear

This would keep the correlating level brackets from being over-tuned by limiting the power scaling of items you can provide your alt characters, but still keeping a sense of progression (and even potentially improving this sense of progression) every 10th level bracket.

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nanfoodle

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Since the plan is that all repairs require materials, not just gold like now, it might simply not be economical for characters to run around in all legendary gear, no matter the level. It depends on how they implement the repair system though.

If all repairs require materials equal in type and rarity that were used to craft the item, a few deaths for a character decked out in all legendary items could cost them a huge amount of very hard to get materials.

A character in all legendary gear is less likely to die in PvE at least, so that balances it out a bit, but it can quickly become expensive AF in PvP to be wearing all legendary all the time.

If gear can be repaired easily with lower tier materials, then yeah, eventually everyone who aren't very casual will be having legendary sets for all tiers probably.

Like I said in an earlier comment. As long as the legendary materials required to repair low level legendaries are also required to repair high level legendaries, then it would be fine due to the demand being diverted to high level items. Keeps the materials viable, and you'd be risking more for the sake of maintaining leveling gear.

Don't agree. Should not take the same mats that made it but I would be fine it cost more to fix. I would like Ashes to be a gear collection mini game. Collecting sets for play styles you want to use. I don't need a mate game for repaires, that does not sound fun in any game

Vhaeyne

Dolyem wrote: »

Sure, but that's not to say you should make it even more so when it can easily be avoided. It's one thing to say 1 class will always beat another class due to rock paper scissors. It's an entirely different thing to say "have the full legendary level 10 alt body the fresh account level 10 in greens and whites"

I’m struggling to understand the issue here.

We both agree that open-world PvP is inherently unfair.

If the gear exists, it means someone put in the work to earn it.

It shouldn’t matter to you whether that gear is on their main or alt character. Nor should it matter if the gear was given to them by someone else.

How a person acquired their gear is none of your business and has no bearing on making your experience more “fair.”

The reality is, you’ll rarely face a fair fight below cap.

Don't forget that your issue is also a double edged sword and can lead to a faster XP rate in grind parties when the alts you are leveling with are wearing Lego hand-me downs from their guild armory.

I am afraid to even get you going on the concept that guilds will have sets for alts at each progression level for loan...

Dolyem

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Sure, but that's not to say you should make it even more so when it can easily be avoided. It's one thing to say 1 class will always beat another class due to rock paper scissors. It's an entirely different thing to say "have the full legendary level 10 alt body the fresh account level 10 in greens and whites"

I’m struggling to understand the issue here.

We both agree that open-world PvP is inherently unfair.

If the gear exists, it means someone put in the work to earn it.

It shouldn’t matter to you whether that gear is on their main or alt character. Nor should it matter if the gear was given to them by someone else.

How a person acquired their gear is none of your business and has no bearing on making your experience more “fair.”

The reality is, you’ll rarely face a fair fight below cap.

Don't forget that your issue is also a double edged sword and can lead to a faster XP rate in grind parties when the alts you are leveling with are wearing Lego hand-me downs from their guild armory.

I am afraid to even get you going on the concept that guilds will have sets for alts at each progression level for loan...

The point i am making is yes, there will be imbalances via the rock paper scissors design, those a done with a purpose. But that doesn't mean you throw balancing out the window by allowing for massive power gaps at low level through gear. The main concern is have is excessive ease of completing content, but you also brought up the point of creating too wide of a power gap between similar level players in conflict while progressing.
Again though, it's just my own concern, and it comes down to what Intrepid would prefer. You could very well be in the right in saying this is entirely the intention of the developers to allow established players to provide a large advantage for their alts.

Dolyem

nanfoodle wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Since the plan is that all repairs require materials, not just gold like now, it might simply not be economical for characters to run around in all legendary gear, no matter the level. It depends on how they implement the repair system though.

If all repairs require materials equal in type and rarity that were used to craft the item, a few deaths for a character decked out in all legendary items could cost them a huge amount of very hard to get materials.

A character in all legendary gear is less likely to die in PvE at least, so that balances it out a bit, but it can quickly become expensive AF in PvP to be wearing all legendary all the time.

If gear can be repaired easily with lower tier materials, then yeah, eventually everyone who aren't very casual will be having legendary sets for all tiers probably.

Like I said in an earlier comment. As long as the legendary materials required to repair low level legendaries are also required to repair high level legendaries, then it would be fine due to the demand being diverted to high level items. Keeps the materials viable, and you'd be risking more for the sake of maintaining leveling gear.

Don't agree. Should not take the same mats that made it but I would be fine it cost more to fix. I would like Ashes to be a gear collection mini game. Collecting sets for play styles you want to use. I don't need a mate game for repaires, that does not sound fun in any game

It's been established that repairs will require correlated materials to maintain the gear. Just hasn't been confirmed if multiple tiers of the same rarity materials will be required throughout gear levels

Vhaeyne

Dolyem wrote: »

The point i am making is yes, there will be imbalances via the rock paper scissors design, those a done with a purpose. But that doesn't mean you throw balancing out the window by allowing for massive power gaps at low level through gear. The main concern is have is excessive ease of completing content, but you also brought up the point of creating too wide of a power gap between similar level players in conflict while progressing.
Again though, it's just my own concern, and it comes down to what Intrepid would prefer. You could very well be in the right in saying this is entirely the intention of the developers to allow established players to provide a large advantage for their alts.

Excluding physical and mental disability, the only true advantage anyone would have over you is free time to play Ashes. None of this can really be controlled.

Everyone is equally able to equip insane new gear every 10 levels.

Everyone has equal access to the methods to get that gear.

I honestly look forward to lending out my level 10 LEGOs when I move past them.

I would suggest making friends with people like me. Everyone has equal access to making friends.

Dolyem

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

The point i am making is yes, there will be imbalances via the rock paper scissors design, those a done with a purpose. But that doesn't mean you throw balancing out the window by allowing for massive power gaps at low level through gear. The main concern is have is excessive ease of completing content, but you also brought up the point of creating too wide of a power gap between similar level players in conflict while progressing.
Again though, it's just my own concern, and it comes down to what Intrepid would prefer. You could very well be in the right in saying this is entirely the intention of the developers to allow established players to provide a large advantage for their alts.

Excluding physical and mental disability, the only true advantage anyone would have over you is free time to play Ashes. None of this can really be controlled.

Everyone is equally able to equip insane new gear every 10 levels.

Everyone has equal access to the methods to get that gear.

I honestly look forward to lending out my level 10 LEGOs when I move past them.

I would suggest making friends with people like me. Everyone has equal access to making friends.

If implemented i will absolutely utilize it. But the possible issue is the effect it will have on newer players later in the game. They already want a clear power separation between levels via causing massive corruption to high level players killing low level players. So I don't see why intrepid would want to allow a massive power difference via gear. A slight to mid power difference wouldn't be terrible.

This is in regards to pvp at least. PVE the main issue is rushing content for boosting

Vhaeyne

@Dolyem

I keep forgetting about a factor that will help limit your concern.

There should be some sort of decay in the economy that keeps the markets going.

Destruction of gear through over enchanting is one form of decay.

I know gear will be able to be deconstructed to gain something of value.

PvP loss.

Without decay the markets will just pile up with Legendries and become so cheap that everyone has them anyway.

With balanced decay people may not want to just toss the gear around to alts because their is more value in it for their main.

Dolyem

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Dolyem

I keep forgetting about a factor that will help limit your concern.

There should be some sort of decay in the economy that keeps the markets going.

Destruction of gear through over enchanting is one form of decay.

I know gear will be able to be deconstructed to gain something of value.

PvP loss.

Without decay the markets will just pile up with Legendries and become so cheap that everyone has them anyway.

With balanced decay people may not want to just toss the gear around to alts because their is more value in it for their main.

Oh definitely, I addressed this with my comment about having legendaries materials required for low level gear also being included with high level gear for upkeep/repairs. Requiring players to contemplate whether they think it's worth using on low level gear or not as opposed to upkeep with a high level characters gear. This would more or less deter the boosting issue I brought up. Though it'd still leave potential for excessive gear power imbalances at low levels. But whether or not that is an issue or intended is up to Intrepid.

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