"Professions are not for everyone"

I gotta say I really hate this take. Whenever I complain about the professions people say "The idea is that the professions are not for everyone".

What they mean by that is that the professions are purposefully made convoluted and monotonous IN ORDER to disincentivize players from engaging in the system. Only the most elite people will bother wasting their lives trying to "discover" how to use them...

This is probably the stupidest idea for a game I ever heard. Might as well make a game called, "Lets stab ourselves in the face!" - Look, no one else is doing it! Aren't we so elite?!?! Hey how come this game has a hard time getting new players? Bunch of crybabies, we don't want them anyways!

Games are supposed to be fun. Activities in games are supposed to be fun. Gathering should be fun, so should processing and crafting. In fact, all of the systems in the game should be so fun that it is hard to decide what you want to do. Not, "I'm only doing this stupid activity to get X result". That shit is lame as hell.

They managed to do a good job in the class design and fighting styles. I love my bard. IT IS FUN!

Please continue to iterate on the professions and find some way to make them pleasing and appealing. Right now its like we are being given a bowl of raw carrots for dinner.

Yes, it's alpha 2. So... cook this shit.

Or is the "professions are supposed to suck" design idea going to last to launch?

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Azherae

Yeah but even so, the sort of person who tends to get really into Artisanship in most MMORPGs might have polymath tendencies irl.

I know, for example, that I shouldn't give too many opinions because I actually do chemistry, cooking, some metallurgy, and so on, while also having the 'programmer/designer' career path from math and linguistics stuff.

My wife is an artist-designer-UX Engineer yet chooses Cooking in most games because it normally fits into the same 'spot on the chain' and often has similar mental requirements, in contrast to Alchemy.

While it's good if things are enjoyable for people like us, to Zehlan's point, there's a lot more benefit to letting people dabble, 'community' or not.

Loch wrote: »

I think it will be super fun to explore professions. I cant wait to craft my own gear.

At some point, you have to try to make the above poster happy too. And it's not asif this is impossible, it just isn't ready yet, we don't even have a 'consensus' on Fishing.

Zehlan

Lodrig wrote: »

@Zehlan A three step chain is perfectly reasonable in medeviel industy. They had a LOT more specialization and a division of labor then you seem to think. Also modern industry can have DOZENS of layers of suppliers, again you seem to under estimate how deep modern supply chains are.

I seem to remember one chip manufacturer (TSMC) causing massive shortages world wide for all kinds of products including graphics cards your DOZENS of multi layer suppliers where were they at? It took what 2+ years for that to sort out.

If it was a simple 3 step system that would be ok but really it's not. To be able to make a GM level spellsword you would require at least 8 steps to make it. Meaning you will need at least four people dedicated to make that one sword remove one of those people and for whatever reason your going to have a huge problem. Sounds way to fragile a system for what AoC wants crafting to be in the game.

Lodrig

Zehlan wrote: »

I seem to remember one chip manufacturer (TSMC) causing massive shortages world wide for all kinds of products including graphics cards your DOZENS of multi layer suppliers where were they at? It took what 2+ years for that to sort out.

If it was a simple 3 step system that would be ok but really it's not. To be able to make a GM level spellsword you would require at least 8 steps to make it. Meaning you will need at least four people dedicated to make that one sword remove one of those people and for whatever reason your going to have a huge problem. Sounds way to fragile a system for what AoC wants crafting to be in the game.

Um, again your really not well versed on modern supply chains. A high number of layers is not the same thing as having a large number of competitors IN each layer that can substitute for each other, TSCM has a near monopoly on the most advanced chips in the world, and they produce them on machines made by a Dutch company which has a monopoly on the machine because they are considered to practically be state-secrets. And infact having more layers and division of labor make the kinds of delays and supply chains more brittle and slow to fix. Hundreds of companies and skill sets feed into the supply chain to make something like a microchip.

Four people making a sword (from ore to blade) is hardly a deep chain and is probablly much shorter then a REAL medevil chain would have been. They do not all need to work the item at the same time and bulk trade in ore, metal, billets etc would have allowed them to produce the sword without ever meeting or going into buisness together (the upcoming trade stalls in nodes will help do the same) Likewise their would be ample competition along the way, no one person would be been irreplacable because the skills for mining, smelting, forging would be super common in real history and in the game where theirs only ~25 Artisan skills and people can have multiple ones. Remember medievel guilds were not 'companies' like we think of them now, they were groups of independent buisness people all competing with each other.

Unless your under some impression that every 8 person family of characters or micro guild should have full access to sword making. But that is not healthy game play for Ashes or a realistic depection of the middle ages. You have to go back to the Stone age for division of labor to be that low for everything know to be made inside just a single family unit.

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