Mages with bows.

Hello everyone, I know all archetypes can use any weapons, but I don't like the idea that a mage can use a bow with the same ability as an ranger. It feels weird. I know there is still a long way to the game release but do you think in the final game we'll have the same situation as now where we'll see mages using bows? Ir really feels like out of place in a rol perspective.

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Ludullu

I hope/want that literally every weapon will have both a magical atk option and a physical atk option, not just bows or books.

Percimes

Ludullu wrote: »

I hope/want that literally every weapon will have both a magical atk option and a physical atk option, not just bows or books.

Even wands..? Kind of afraid to ask how they would do the physical atk... Unless sharpened or weighed we'd have to, hmm, shov- well, that's getting inappropriate...

spawn33

Ludullu wrote: »

I hope/want that literally every weapon will have both a magical atk option and a physical atk option, not just bows or books.

I wish your wish never comes true.

nanfoodle

Percimes wrote: »

Ludullu wrote: »

I hope/want that literally every weapon will have both a magical atk option and a physical atk option, not just bows or books.

Even wands..? Kind of afraid to ask how they would do the physical atk... Unless sharpened or weighed we'd have to, hmm, shov- well, that's getting inappropriate...

Not all magic is powered by spells, sometimes magic manipulates the world to attack with physical force. One way would be to make air solid and flinging it. These ideas date back to DnD. Right down to using weapons on different classes. Having a Mage use magic to enchange arrows as they fire them. What do you think a Mage / Ranger or a Ranger / Mage would be like? These systems need to be in place right from level 1 building to something.

There is limits, like some skills are tied to certain weapons. Can't as a Fighter, you can't spin to win with a wand.

Percimes

nanfoodle wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

Ludullu wrote: »

I hope/want that literally every weapon will have both a magical atk option and a physical atk option, not just bows or books.

Even wands..? Kind of afraid to ask how they would do the physical atk... Unless sharpened or weighed we'd have to, hmm, shov- well, that's getting inappropriate...

Not all magic is powered by spells, sometimes magic manipulates the world to attack with physical force. One way would be to make air solid and flinging it. These ideas date back to DnD. Right down to using weapons on different classes. Having a Mage use magic to enchange arrows as they fire them. What do you think a Mage / Ranger or a Ranger / Mage would be like? These systems need to be in place right from level 1 building to something.

There is limits, like some skills are tied to certain weapons. Can't as a Fighter, you can't spin to win with a wand.

Oh yeah, or using the wand to telekinesis-ing / throw objects (from the environment: chairs, rocks, etc.) at a target à la Vader using the Force.
Could make sense that way too.

Ludullu

Percimes wrote: »

Even wands..? Kind of afraid to ask how they would do the physical atk... Unless sharpened or weighed we'd have to, hmm, shov- well, that's getting inappropriate...

POKE DEM BISHES IN THEIR EYES

Smork1

Its kind of weird you don't think a wizard/mage could pick up a bow an use it in a fantasy setting.

Your concern doesn't make sense logically

nanfoodle

Phase 1 My Bard was a short bow and sword and board. Was allot of fun.

Voeltz

Not a fan of it either. The result is something like Guild Wars 2 where every class is a healer. In Ashes case, everyone has a ranged slot so is a hybrid role at a bare minimum. It kills any sense of uniqueness or specialization each archetype should have and you can already see that happening live on the A2 Servers. It would be far better if each base archetype came with a set of usable weapons and more are unlocked depending on the secondary archetype you choose. For ex. a fighter primary can use melee weapons only but can unlock magic weapons with a mage secondary selected.

SmileGurney

Erdun wrote: »

Hello everyone, I know all archetypes can use any weapons, but I don't like the idea that a mage can use a bow with the same ability as an ranger. It feels weird. I know there is still a long way to the game release but do you think in the final game we'll have the same situation as now where we'll see mages using bows? Ir really feels like out of place in a rol perspective.

Leave my bard's spellbow alone. Thanks.

Vhaeyne

The physical book is more dumber-er.

nanfoodle

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The physical book is more dumber-er.

Magic can be used to move physical matter. Using magic to do physical damage. Compressed air, rocks and much more. This goes back to DnD. Even things like Star Wars had Jedi and Sith using the force to use physical items to do damage. Over hitting them with the force.

Vhaeyne

@nanfoodle

Sure, you can invent any fluff you like to make sense of anything.

I just think just throwing physical stats on the book is dumb and lazy.

It could have been like throwing axes or something that is actually physical.

nanfoodle

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@nanfoodle

Sure, you can invent any fluff you like to make sense of anything.

I just think just throwing physical stats on the book is dumb and lazy.

It could have been like throwing axes or something that is actually physical.

QFT

nanfoodle

I think you need to read more fantasy stories it's everywhere. LOTR, wheel of time, DnD, Eragon.

Edit: it's not much diffence when you have a melee weapon made magically and does magic damage. That's equally the same thing.

Vhaeyne

nanfoodle wrote: »

QFT

More Dumber-er

Sholer

Smork1 wrote: »

Its kind of weird you don't think a wizard/mage could pick up a bow an use it in a fantasy setting.

Your concern doesn't make sense logically

It doesn't have sense seeing a mage who is a user of magic arts be as able to a ranger in terms of using a bow. You would expect in logical terms that a ranger is more skilled in using a bow.

Like Voeltz said: "It kills any sense of uniqueness or specialization each archetype should have"

lukedawuke

magical bows and enchanted arrows are cool. you dont have to be a frail white haired wizard with no muscle to use magic

Songcaller

I loved Bowplar Ranger/Templar. Can't even remember the game though.

Volgaris

The power types only being magic and physical really limit the weapons, feels kind of MOBA, simple, plain, ect... A bow with magic power stats will do magic power base damage when shot. Feels a little blasphemous. The real difference is the weapon trees and the attack speeds. So you end up picking a weapon based off the perks you want in the tree and the speed of attacks you want. Or which one is a stat stick. It'd be nice to see attribute requirements, but we'd need selectable attributes for that to matter.

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