Crafting is not the best gear

Best gear is the gear you can get. Vast majority of players are finding crafting out of their reach. Crafting requires so much time, casuel players have to pick between leveling at the same rate as their friends or progress crafting. Crafters that are getting these systems have a hard time selling items. Current market system is only slightly helpful. Or selling an item means you need to travel 20+ min to get to your buyer.

Most people don't have access to crafted gear for many of the reasons I listed above. This is before you get to the frustration of finding things like copper and rubies. Or how convoluted the crafting system is or how not fun the crafting interface is.

So the best gear is the rare drops you can get from mobs. It's the majority of what people are playing with.

Then you have the highly organized exporters that train you and take the crafting resources you find. That corner the market with supplies they have used griefing tactics to get.

All this comes down to one thing. The common player feels frustrated and not having fun.

Grinding is the main way to level for now. I get more is coming but this is compounded with the fact that grinding is also how most people are gearing up.

This is not fun. IMO crafting needs to become easier to do and succeed at. Crafters need easier ways to get to buyers. By a better market (get this is a place holder) as what we have now is also anything but fun or intuitive. Resources need to be easier to access. If there is lots of things like copper, fix why most people can't get it.

Im a master crafter from ESO and I'm spinning my wheels in this game and I know I am not alone. It's the compound of all the problems listed above that makes this untenable for most.

If there is something you want to do to keep testers playing. Fix this and give us LFG tools.

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bigassgun

Xeeg wrote: »

bigassgun wrote: »

tinukeda wrote: »

Complexity and difficulty aside, how about crafting producing worse results than loot dropped gear?
Heroic Tin Shortbow has worse stats than a green Forsaken Blades Shortbow?
Glad I wasted all that time collecting mats when I could have just dropped 60 silver in a market.

"Help, i decided to craft a higher rarity but lower tier item however the higher tier item with lower rarity is still better because it's a higher tier item. This is certainly not my fault, it's the game's fault."

P.S. ashescodex

Really shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party websites to play the game effectively. Players should be able to plan their progression from the game UI itself, in my opinion. I know they aren't at that phase yet, but hope that it is planned for.

I know that there is some segment of the population that wants in-game knowledge to be obscure and difficult to find out. So people need to keep spreadsheets and document things and share knowledge between each other. Part of this game design might actually be based around this idea.

However, most people will just find it annoying, frustrating, time wasting, "not fun", and simply stop playing this part of the game, or the game altogether.

The combat is fun, I think most people agree on that. So if they can manage a consensus on that part of the game, surely they can try to get the other parts of the game into a similar place. Personally, I think that is going to mean a slick UI, lots of in-game knowledge resources, and planning tools to optimize your character progression.

The most frustrating thing about copper is that you can waste hours and never find any, which also means you can never find out details on how, where, when it respawns. You can't learn anything about the respawn from in the game. You just know copper exists and you cant find it. You dont know if its random, or if there are specific locations. You dont know if the respawn is a timer, or random, or based on player density. If you can never find the copper, you can never find out any of these details. Pretty fucking bad gameplay experience.

I agree, but at the current moment it's just what is. There's a source of knowledge that cancels out certain amounts of guesswork and saves time. I myself find some systems in this game overly complicated but alot of it is being voiced out already so we'll see whether all that changes or not.

Regarding copper, there's a misconception going on that copper spawns in place of basalt and the same tier of mining node spawns but a dude just recently made a video proving all this to be false and that copper has pretty much fixed spawns and the spawn rate is like 2 hours? Whatever it is...it sucks. I'll post the vid below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkIpBiQr39M

bigassgun

tinukeda wrote: »

bigassgun wrote: »

"Help, i decided to craft a higher rarity but lower tier item however the higher tier item with lower rarity is still better because it's a higher tier item. This is certainly not my fault, it's the game's fault."

P.S. ashescodex

Define how you're using "tier"?
Both items are level 10 req, so is that not the same tier?
Yes, the codex is useful

copper -> brass -> tin -> whatever inbetween -> forsaken/crystalized/iron/steel

You get the idea, gotta use the codex to be sure.

tinukeda

bigassgun wrote: »

tinukeda wrote: »

bigassgun wrote: »

"Help, i decided to craft a higher rarity but lower tier item however the higher tier item with lower rarity is still better because it's a higher tier item. This is certainly not my fault, it's the game's fault."

P.S. ashescodex

Define how you're using "tier"?
Both items are level 10 req, so is that not the same tier?
Yes, the codex is useful

copper -> brass -> tin -> whatever inbetween -> forsaken/crystalized/iron/steel

You get the idea, gotta use the codex to be sure.

Crystalized/iron/steel are all level 20+
I would consider something to be on the same tier if the level requirement and/or the materials needed for it are of the same level. In this case, Tin and Forsaken are both 10+ and use t2 materials so I'd consider them to be of the same general tier.
I did kind of forget that you don't automatically get all recipes and you have to go out and find some, so that's my bad there. Thankfully if I can find the right recipe I can make the better model instead!

nanfoodle

Crating does need tuning. Crafting is so slow at low lvls people get adventure lvls faster then crafter cant keep up at the start. Craters bragging about lvl 10 gear and people looking at the lvl 20 drop they got at lvl 16

Thecreeker

I somehow crafted this Bear-wolf hood. Crafting is funny sometimes. lol

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