Towns need to be combat free

After a wave of guild war and node wars over the holidays it should now be self evident that combat in towns (village or high nodes) is never going to be a viable part of gameplay and that towns should be rendered a non-combat zone for all members of wars with the possible acception of a node siege war, which we have yet to see any implementation of.

The main reason pvp in town will never be good is because it will always be AFK bottom feeding, because towns by their nature are where people are performing the slow and tedious processing of materials, and or have their heads stuck into the games many shopping, storage, inventory, NPC etc menus and UI's. All of this town activity together constitutes a guaranteed place where players will be sitting ducks, and thus anyone engaging them is simply taking kills without comenserate risk or even a shred of sportsmanship for that matter.

Even if the more obvous exploits on guid/node wars are fixed, such as not being instant, no warning starts. Or being a grotequely simplistic and obvously griefer incentivized 'gank counter' based (and instead become some objective based system). We would still have the general pvp permission between opposing sides which would allow ganking in town so that needs to be explicityly prevented by changing the rules. That change could be just letting the guards stop all pvp flagged players or it could be preventing flagging itself within town boundries.

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Noaani

eyawn wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Songcaller wrote: »

eyawn wrote: »

Songcaller wrote: »

Yeah it is constructive. Because you have the corruption system. Node war and guild war is a pvp system. If pvp system going pvx then corruption system should be pvx with less pvp punishment. Can't have everything your way.

can't have everything my way? what the hell are you even talking about? get your head out of your rear end, and start making sense.

what does xp debt mean, if you don't need it? nothing. so your bs about corruption is useless, as it is rendered moot.

all I said is that the safe zone should be tied to node progression, in an economic node.

Listen mate. I have had a 40 page argument with Noaani.

I bet you thought it was a pointless argument at the time.

Now it's the highlight of your forum resume!

ahaha I didn't know what to think. am I to be impressed that it took him 40 pages to prove his point? to me that just shows he's stubborn.

I mean, some people believe in what they say.

Other people won't even reply when they are handed new information.

eyawn

Songcaller wrote: »

Yes, I understand exactly what you mean. I have railed against vertical levelling full stop. It takes like 2 months to level. If everyone loses a level for going red there will be no world pvp. Which I think is the entire aim of all of the immunity and protection calls when faced with the pvp systems. I've seen the slide in every mmo except crowfall and crowfall population was not enough for sustenance. You seem quite happy to fuzz up another's game play even though you have experience of having a fuzzed up experience but then all the people will have issues. You may not play WoW but what exactly does thou play?

a lot of cs. to be fair, i helped make CAL (what is it now, cpl?) what it is.... but i don't see why that matters.

I'm a econ grad. I can see a glaring issue. with having trade disrupted. they have an economic node (heck ya could argue that the reglious node could have a spot too) so it wouldn't be a hard stretch to have a bubble around the stalls in the economic node that was a safe zone.

combine that with players killing the major economic driver (caravans) because they run solo.... means a lot of money is lost....

it isn't me, it's ecno. what will happen is they will combine the markets all over verra. this will try to keep the money flowing. but just like in ancient times, money this way will be concentrated in the hands of the few. which isn't enough to keep the markets a float....

then intrepid will have a choice, pay to win (please don't please don't please dont). or some sort of economic driver, like a daily login bonus.... you think it is because of people writing angry letters. it isn't. it is the economy. they could change it so it isn't player driven i guess .... that would solve deflation ... but none of this is up to me, it is how it is made. I'm trying to help out.

Songcaller

Holy Hannah, the situation remains the underlying principles of a social game. I have already explained you will have no gold sink at all with protection bubbles. People will just buy/sell and you just become the richest Player NPC in existence. If you don't like the craft stalls use the escrow system. You cannot partake in all aspects in the construction cycle anyway. Someone had to run caravans somewhere. Also, market forces go up not down. The only deflation likely is higher taxes in dangerous areas. You need to read the kickstarter and Wiki before you ask for these little golden pots at the end of each rainbow. Not just the player npc with protected gold but anyone who trades inside the protective bubble. No one would bother risking trade anywhere else because convenience trumps risk when reward is involved.

Noaani

eyawn wrote: »

combine that with players killing the major economic driver (caravans) because they run solo.... means a lot of money is lost....

Ashes economy is player driven.

Players are running caravans solo and losing.

Why are you then assuming the fix to that situation is Intrepid changing the game, rather than people running caravans performing a basic risk analysis? If you are running a caravan, you should have protection against what ever challenges you are likely to face - if you do not, then it is on you that you are losing out.

Arya_Yeshe

i absolutely love seein discussions like this lol

Arya_Yeshe

whats the point of having an overly punitive corruption system and not using it in the towns by having pvp prohibited within its perimeter? having no pvp in the city would also ruin wars for many people

it would be dangerous moving your materials to the crafting area, but the most most dangerous spot would be outside the town by the gates, where you have a choke point and the farmers would be arriving from their farming session and its pvp free anyway

Dryadez

The fix to this is adding a proper guard system. Mayors should be able to invest in peacekeepers. That unless you are part of the guild/alliance that owns this node if you are flagged as red the peacekeepers attack you.

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