Suggestion: mini game for crafter's

I love the gathering and i also have high hopes for future additions to crafting.
Some suggestions for the mini game is the following:
-Players at every 10 levels gain 1 chance to improve quality of a crafted item. From normal to green: 25% chance. Green to blue: 10%chance. Blue to yellow: 5% chance. Yellow to orange: .75% chance.
-Each level costs materials to fuel the chance. For instance the dust and the green shards as fuel.
-Each level has associated fee's with all crafting. You must use the correct tier work bench to maintain these chances.
*At lower tier crafting table, the improved chances are halved.
*For higher tier workbenches, a slight increase in chances to improve quality.
-A failure can lead to damage ranging from slight to severe all the way up to destruction of the item.
-Require an item be repaired to have a chance to improve quality.

the actual games can vary for each crafter, prosessor.

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Arya_Yeshe

Syraleaf wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

No matter how good mini games are they get old and people grow to hate them. Pls no mini games.

I understand this sentiment but how it is meaningfully different from fighting pve monsters? And why can't we expect that level of depth for a system that is supposed to form such a large part of the game?

Yeap, thats a good point!
People get mad at mini-games, however they play tasteless pve everyday and such players could be replaced by bots and nobody would be able to tell the difference LMAO

Wel, my idea is on the table, if you are crafting stuff this job should last for hours and along the hours there might be events/quests related to the job and if you want better quality stuff as a result then you should complete the events/quests

azuleslight

you guys wont answer the question why cant i have a meaningful play experience to? Just because I only wish to craft. Doesn't mean i do not deserve to have a full experience in the game as someone who is pvp'ing or doing PvE content. I have played MMO's for longer than 25 years. I love tasks that are not easy. honestly i wish the put the old starwars crafting system in. It shouldn't be easy because you want to just get through it and gain levels. It should be a full on system so crafters and gathers are actually valued instead of someone just grinding it out for 48 hrs straight.

Azherae

azuleslight wrote: »

you guys wont answer the question why cant i have a meaningful play experience to? Just because I only wish to craft. Doesn't mean i do not deserve to have a full experience in the game as someone who is pvp'ing or doing PvE content. I have played MMO's for longer than 25 years. I love tasks that are not easy. honestly i wish the put the old starwars crafting system in. It shouldn't be easy because you want to just get through it and gain levels. It should be a full on system so crafters and gathers are actually valued instead of someone just grinding it out for 48 hrs straight.

Hold on, I don't think anyone is actually arguing against that.

If anything, most of us seem to want that for you.

But the problem is that when you say 'minigames', most people think of simplistic, easily botted stuff that is mostly a timesink.

Truly complicated crafting minigames would be on the tier of medium-skill PvE and would progress upward in difficulty, involving decision making, maybe even teamwork, etc.

We have games that have these types of crafting systems, but I think not everyone calls those 'minigames'.

So, in an effort to shift the thread back, I'll explicitly say:
I agree with your entire first post, but I also know how easy it is to bot certain types of minigames (yes, I'm 100% admitting to doing that, but not for MMORPGs, long story).

So I am only supportive of 'minigames' that are complex enough to not be botted in an hour.
Here is one I like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCNmpDj9ukg

azuleslight

Hold on, I don't think anyone is actually arguing against that.

If anything, most of us seem to want that for you.

That seems to be the Tact everyone is taking. "it interferes with MY enjoyment, so make it easy". Maybe "mini game" is misleading name, but that is what any system created would be considered. There are games with depths to crafting that are insane and deeply involved(OG starwars, Wurm online, classic WoW, FFXI) . That's what i want for Ashes, A community where crafters can not only play, but thrive. The system i proposed is an example that everyone can get on board.(not hard) Truly though it is not what i actually want, it should take sometimes days to create certain items. Leggo's should NOT be crafted by level 1 crafters. I know Ashes has a long way to go, but it is important to setup early that crafters are to be prized not mocked.

Nerror

I don't want to add RNG to crafting, be that through mini-games or anything else. It's enough that we get RNG in gathering and processing. And also no quick-time events of any kind.

But aside from the above, I am open to having the crafting process be more involved than clicking a button. Like having to make choices during crafting that affects some stats at the cost of other stats (more power over less accuracy etc.), instead of the current way of having fixed stats on gear based on the recipe. Perhaps let us add some elemental damage or mitigation via optional ingredients, at the cost of some other base stats.

In other words, let us tweak the items and make choices in the crafting process. Just no RNG or quick-time events.

nanfoodle

IMO I find the current crafting already has too many clicks and often convoluted. If they change the process to add these things, it must but allot more simple but skill based. Personally I'm not enjoying the crafting in the game and I was a master crafter in ESO and that was a long and meaningful journey.

Azherae

Well, one way or another we need to wait for them to get their general Artisanship up to the standard they intended before we know 'what to ask for' in terms of 'minigames'.

I really don't want to see another case of MMORPG crafters' dreams ruined by the 'bottom-up'+'feels-good' design approach.

And since we're already seeing cutbacks in things like the necessity of Artisans, like Gatherers no longer being required to get drops from bosses (a decision that I agree with on its own, but fear the implications of), we have to accept that we no longer know what is important enough to be part of gameplay going forward. I mean that in the sense that we've never tested that, but it's probably not going to be a thing. That's natural for a game this size, but it does reinforce the fact that we could always 'lose' things like that.

There was a largeish shakeup in yesterday's patch, though, @nanfoodle, so hopefully you find the fun in it this time, let us know how it goes.

azuleslight

Azherae wrote: »

Well, one way or another we need to wait for them to get their general Artisanship up to the standard they intended before we know 'what to ask for' in terms of 'minigames'.

I really don't want to see another case of MMORPG crafters' dreams ruined by the 'bottom-up'+'feels-good' design approach.

And since we're already seeing cutbacks in things like the necessity of Artisans, like Gatherers no longer being required to get drops from bosses (a decision that I agree with on its own, but fear the implications of), we have to accept that we no longer know what is important enough to be part of gameplay going forward. I mean that in the sense that we've never tested that, but it's probably not going to be a thing. That's natural for a game this size, but it does reinforce the fact that we could always 'lose' things like that.

There was a largeish shakeup in yesterday's patch, though, @nanfoodle, so hopefully you find the fun in it this time, let us know how it goes.

I agree its early on , i just want it understood that crafters and gathering are not a side thing. thats it. i want an immersive full on crafting system in place. so crafters can enjoy the game as much as a PVP or PvE'er. we shall see what happens.

Hutchy1989

Having to put in the materials for every single craft is already to much minigame for me

azuleslight

Hutchy1989 wrote: »

Having to put in the materials for every single craft is already to much minigame for me

that does seem to be a bit much...but materials make a huge difference as im sure you know.

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