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Alpha Two testing is currently taking place five days each week. More information about Phase II and Phase III testing schedule can be found here
If you have Alpha Two, you can download the game launcher here, and we encourage you to join us on our Official Discord Server for the most up to date testing news.
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Re: AoC isn’t Punishing its Frustrating
I’m not saying any one of these is bad in a vacuum, I’m saying that all three together suck and will discourage a large number of players.
Also, there’s a difference between “participation trophy players” and players who don’t want their time to wasted.
XP debt is an outdated mechanic and there’s a reason that almost no games utilize it. It is not a rewarding type of difficulty and it psychologically not fun.
Also, nothing about removing XP debt goes against any of the core pillars of this game.
Hell, I think making all your materials recoverable on death also doesn’t go against it.
Waste is a subjective term but in the purest sense, anyone this concerned about wasted time should consider avoiding games all together and stick to real life.
I found humor in your statement that xp debt is wrong because 'it is not fun or meaningful' and that dropping loot is okay but you want it all recoverable. The fact that you feel a risk/penalty should be fun and you think that there should be no risk to dropping loot, just demonstrates your confusion on what a penalty is.
XP debt is not an outdated mechanic but by your suggestion that almost every consequence is bad (xp debt, dropping materials not against core ect.), I see why I might have hit a nerve bringing up participation trophy types of players. 😉
Its_Me
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Re: AoC isn’t Punishing its Frustrating
My main issues with XP debit is all of you would still play and love the game if it were gone, but there are an unknown number of potential players who won’t play the game because of it.
This game needs to attract a healthy full player base, and XP offers nothing positive and only negative.
It is an objective negative for this game to implement it.
Sure, but I also play Throne and Liberty as my main game now, and therefore I'm not as hardcore as the people who want to play Ashes.
But that's kind of the point. It's not necessarily a negative, because people who really don't want exp Debt have an objectively better (using your logic) game to play already, considering their main playstyle profiles.
Why should AoC strive to compete with a game for an audience that is better suited for that game already? It makes no sense as even a business plan.
Removing XP debt does not drastically change the formula of the game.
Also, just because a game doesn’t have an XP debt doesn’t make it an all around objectively better or more complete game.
Classic wow is very popular, if classic wow added XP debt nothing about the game formula would change, it would just introduce something 90% of players don’t want and there for it’s a negative.
I'll try to clarify what I meant a bit more because I agree with you, Throne and Liberty originally had exp debt, then they removed it in favor of something more sensible for their version of a strong PvX game, and I don't think anything was negatively affected at all.
What I'm saying is that Intrepid believes they have a design where Exp Debt is important to shape player behaviour in the way they want. We aren't seeing that design in full, but it's a good 'signal'. If you 'show players' that you want to create a game where that sort of feeling is important, and the players can decide in advance "I don't like those feelings" then great, they will go play Throne and Liberty.
But a game like EVE has a powerful 'cost' to dying that is necessary for the feelings of its sandbox nature. Ashes is also a similar type of game, if you don't like that type of game, then what exactly do you want that isn't provided by another game?
Removing exp debt can drastically change the formula of a game, we just haven't had any games recently that were built with the base design that can actually be affected. EXP Debt is a deterrent from certain approaches to problems. The 'problems' in AoC are an entirely different type than most other games.
Azherae
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Re: Everything feels so unfriendly...
I'm talking about you calling out Dygz of all people on "being too invested". The dude have gone through a period of telling everyone on these forums that he won't play the game. He has criticized every other feature in the game, because majority of AoC's features don't jell well with his own playstyle. And he's literally one of the biggest critics of the game and especially its development and presentation.Edit: Oh I just noticed that you spend even more time on posting here, thats why you are so butt hurted, sorry for that!
Yet you're saying he's a suckup to Intrepid who sees no faults in them
I've also criticized Intrepid on their communication and presentation of things, so you saying that I'm butthurt over some minimal critic against them is also real ironic.
As for the feedback itself, you do realize that different people work on different parts of the game, right? SFX artists are not the same as system developers, nor are they the same as 3d modelers or any other type of dev at Intrepid. You're complaining that an artist is not doing a programmer's job, which is real silly.
Ludullu
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Re: [Mount] Finite Market Problem
its the same for everything atm gear doesnt decay neither do mounts so you eventualy hit a point where people dont need things anymore some faster than others
Veeshan
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Re: Eliminate these reason to quit
I believe Concord handled criticism with the same room temperature IQ responses as a few of the ones above. SMH
Re: AoC isn’t Punishing its Frustrating
The divide between players that play games for pleasure vs players that play them for meaning in life is interesting.. and sad. Cruel world.
Gizban
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Re: [Feedback] Why Ashes is currently destined to fail...
No it doesn't.
If you are having an issue that is appeased by it being acknowledged, you really don't have an issue.
I have a testing issue that needs to be acknowledged so I know its been seen and can move off to other things.
Honestly the gatekeeping in here is wild.
blktauna
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Re: A Small Amount of Feedback on Ranger - New for Alpha 2
I think i would have to agree with all these.
Here what i see with rangers
Excels at range combat = No, they get beaten by every class in range combat, fighters, tanks self sustain will cause them to win a straight up bow fight, bard and clerics can heal there way to victory in range and mages just demolish them with shear dmg
Excels at mobility = no not realy the only thing rangers have going for them in this department is vertical mobility every other melee class has more gao closers than ranger have with gap creating so it basicl ya melee fight with fighters anyway at that point even if u get range they pull bow ut and win anyway :P you can run away from a tank and cleric though but thats about it though.
basicly 0 CC in kit, you get a silence which is clunky to use and roots and dont do anything cause apparently u can just use a charge while rooted it seems and charge right through root field or beartraps and not get effected.
Marks definetly need changed the 1 in cooldown across all of them are brutal and no u shouldnt be able to cast all ur marks at once however i think using 1 mark should make the other marks have 10-20 second CD can use muiltipul in a fight but not all at once.
ranger currently loose every fight in a 1v1 situation against any class and can only relay function when there left alone in a fight but ur still better off having a mage instead since thye excel at area's where rangers not so much.
Here what i see with rangers
Excels at range combat = No, they get beaten by every class in range combat, fighters, tanks self sustain will cause them to win a straight up bow fight, bard and clerics can heal there way to victory in range and mages just demolish them with shear dmg
Excels at mobility = no not realy the only thing rangers have going for them in this department is vertical mobility every other melee class has more gao closers than ranger have with gap creating so it basicl ya melee fight with fighters anyway at that point even if u get range they pull bow ut and win anyway :P you can run away from a tank and cleric though but thats about it though.
basicly 0 CC in kit, you get a silence which is clunky to use and roots and dont do anything cause apparently u can just use a charge while rooted it seems and charge right through root field or beartraps and not get effected.
Marks definetly need changed the 1 in cooldown across all of them are brutal and no u shouldnt be able to cast all ur marks at once however i think using 1 mark should make the other marks have 10-20 second CD can use muiltipul in a fight but not all at once.
ranger currently loose every fight in a 1v1 situation against any class and can only relay function when there left alone in a fight but ur still better off having a mage instead since thye excel at area's where rangers not so much.
Veeshan
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Re: Everything feels so unfriendly...
I just gave an example. I know that these are the other teams thats why I dont get some excuses like "they dont focus on that for that phase" which is just cheap excuse.
I hear you, I just know Dygz is coming from a place of explanation not excuse. Though one can often sound like the other.
CROW3
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Alpha Two Update Notes - Saturday, January 11, 2025
As a reminder, if you come across bugs during Alpha Two testing, please report them to us in-game using /bug
- Fixed a bug causing Treasure Chests to flicker
- Fixed a bug causing processing jobs to consume extra materials
- Fixed a bug with the Skeletons in the "Woe of Xander" quest. They will now drop the required Gravestone Rubble for the quest.
- Fixed a duplication bug
