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Some interesting theorizing happening in here!

On a similar note, I'm curious to know what you feel the class fantasy for a summoner is, or what it should be? ‘Class fantasy’ could be defined as your expectations and perception for what a class should look, feel, and play like.

As someone who's highly excited for the Summoner... hmm. I've got a pretty coherent idea of what I'd want out of it, but to summarize as best as I can?

1. The player character should have the ability to manage the pet. Quickly managing its AI (even if it's just passive/aggressive/defensive and target selection), choosing where it stands, and determining what attacks it uses are absolutely vital. Having the ability to heal your pet and play a supporting role to it is pretty important as well.
2. You should be the one selecting how it fights. For me, that means casting abilities through it, sort of like how a pokemon trainer commands their pokemon to use certain moves in a battle. Use the right moves at the right time to achieve victory.
3. Between you and the pet, the pet should be the one doing most of the fighting, but you should not be idle. The fact that you're not the one getting slapped in the face by the boss isn't a reason to slack off - you need to manage your pet to keep it alive and healthy, and then use your own abilities where you can on the side.
4. Pet stats should be based on the player's gear. The reason for this is simple; if the pet's stats are static, they'll have to start very high making them overpowered compared to the standard gear, but weak compared to high-end gear, making them a disc 1 nuke that's useless to higher end players. By making the pet capability based on player capability, it inherently makes the same scaling systems that are used for players work for the pet, bypassing a problem that WoW and other games have had struggles with for years.

It's hard to strike this kind of balance, but when done right it feels good to play. In PvE, it turns into a management minigame where your summoner is managing the battle positioning to keep their pet alive. In PvP, your summoner is wimpy as a drowned cactus and the enemy player is gunning for you - but if they ignore the pet entirely they're screwed, creating an interesting and fun combat dynamic.

So here's some images of the many created that I personally liked. It's just really cool what you can do with a.i. these days.







This last one I spent some time editing in Krita to fill out the some parts that were missing. here's what it looked like before.

loopholes? who needs loopholes? just man up and go red.

if you are in my farming spot, i will take it from you.
if you dont flag, i will go red.
if i cant go red, i will mob drop u.
if i cant mob drop u, ill kill u with an alt.
if u bring ur friends, i will not ask how many they are, but where they are.

I saw a lot of people in the chat expressing how they wanted the range combat to be like New World's and this concerns me. I've been playing New World recently and I immediately think of muskets and the use of aim bots. Whether someone is actually using an aim bot or not doesn't matter because when ever I die to what could be considered some amazing shots I now always wonder was that player cheating? Which obviously ruins the whole experience. No different than any modern FPS game. I honestly don't know if this can even be applied to Ashes of Creation but if they ever add muskets and its not tab targeting I guess it could be?

That being said I like the soft lock in action mode because well I never used tab targeting that much. I would usually click on a nameplate with my mouse to select a target, like a noob. I'm assuming some abilities will be skill shots which I have no problem with. I just really don't want a system where an aim bot could be used and it ends up being something I have to consider rather than being amazed at how good that player is.

For the action combat bit of the ''hybrid combat'' ye for sure. The kind of combat shown in the video you posted could definitely be utilized...and uh it's a little funny people going ''tHis Is An MmO nOt FpS'' as if having aimed abilities has anything to do with FPS games...guess shows how out of touch some people are with the gaming genres overall

I love pvp. In every mmo I've ever played, I played on a pvp server. But I can't understand why so many so called pvpers are terrified of the corruption system. For me, pvp is about the challenge that comes with fighting another player who can be far more skilled and challenging than a mob can be. Killing someone who is either too weak or unwilling to fight back is boring.

If you're such an amazing pvper, the corruption system shouldn't bother you, because the people who can pose a challenge, will. If you need to farm weak or unwilling targets, you're actually just a coward.

"I'm not for cancel culture!"

Well, that's a lie. That's exactly what you're trying for. (In a really disingenuous and snakey way).

As others have said. If you don't like it, watch something else. Word police are so bloody tiresome.

The AoC "Community" isn't some single thing. It's plenty big enough for you to carve out your own little space which you can fill with other like-minded hall monitors and professional offense takers.

Someone called a non-Downs a r$#%!( and they were deeply affected?

If someone calls a skin & bones person 'weak' are you deeply sympathetic? lmao

Some things just require the individual to handle shit themself. Are you going to make their psyche strong for them?
People have to grow up at some point.

After watching the ingame video a few times and listening to Stevens ideas around it, I am very pleased with the Ranger combat!

As a person who wants to play Ranger/Archer type classes but never found a game that makes it feel good, I have to congratulate to the dev team and Stevens ideas around the Ranger gameplay.
For me the standard MMO type of Archer gameplay always felt lacking and disconnected from Archery, as a person who currently teaching Archery in my spare time and used to compete and won some regional and national Archery competitions, the Archer in most MMOs always felt bad, I love the basic weapon attack is the main focus and the toolkit as Steven refers to it as is more of an addition rather than the main focus of a Rangers rotation unlike most other MMOs.

The difference between the Shortbow and Longbow however I feel need to be larger, could be that I havn't played with it myself yet, so this is only based on what I seen in the video.

One thing I do wonder on, with the Longbow in Action mode, will one be able to volley arrows over walls/structures? That would be really cool if possible for siege/castle stuff!
Something I also wonder about, Steven mentioned Main and Ranged weapon slots, assuming this is also applied to the Ranger class, I am safe to assume you can use any weapon more or less just not be able to specc into that weapon tree?

Will be very intresting to see future progress and I can't wait for some content creators stream and do videos in Alpha 2 with the Ranger combat!

guys just use a stopwatch and see how long it takes u to kill the boss