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neomir wrote: »

It looks like the Siege Warfare Otter Catapult we have all been waiting for...

Lets face it we all know a guild mate that would use a catapult like this if they could

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zomnivore wrote: »

Their hesitance to show us any of the flaws of the MMO, but their willingness to expose people to the APOC product in its unfinished state, and then taking away that product for a fix for the MMO shows their priorities. So that's nice....but...it also shows their willingness to give players an incomplete experience to cash in on a popular trend, that they were too late to capitalize on. So it sorta shows a schism in their thinking. When planning is going on thats supposed to be pretty far flung thinking, to see this scramble to get another product out, is kind of a terrible red flag for signs of health.
Critically thought out and deep insight is what we need from Steven and his vision. I feel that a desire for there to be less of a sunk cost for testing, is just kind of a pipe dream. The costs of doing APOC poorly will reflect on the marketing for the MMO, which when you think about it, is what all this radio silence is supposed to achieve. However word of mouth is the power they're hoping to utilize here and yet its the biggest risk they're taking by exposing people to APOC and then cutting access to APOC abruptly, is very disruptive to the players they'd hope to gain and this is a pretty niche genre with a tight community of media. Doing stuff like this again is really not a good idea.

Again this idea that APOC is a "product" in its own right. Where exactly are you getting this impression from? Everything I have read suggests that it is nothing more than a testing platform. And quite frankly, if Intrepid need to test their servers and infrastructure, can you think of a better way of doing it?

Maybe they plan on turning it into its own stand-a-lone product/game mode later on down the line, but right now they are using it to stress test the servers and the core combat systems. And yes, of course they are going to expose people to an unfinished product during the testing phases of development. How else are they supposed to stress test their servers and performance in a realistic setting?????

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, so with many games these days charging full price for early access and all that bullshit, which is simply an excuse for companies to release their game unfinished. That is NOT what is happening here with Ashes or APOC. Please, for the love of GOD stop judging Intrepid on the actions of the other shithole companies in this goddamn industry. This kind of stupid paranoia doesn't do anyone any good, so grow the fuck up and wait.

zomnivore wrote: »

Their hesitance to show us any of the flaws of the MMO, but their willingness to expose people to the APOC product in its unfinished state, and then taking away that product for a fix for the MMO shows their priorities. So that's nice....but...it also shows their willingness to give players an incomplete experience to cash in on a popular trend, that they were too late to capitalize on. So it sorta shows a schism in their thinking. When planning is going on thats supposed to be pretty far flung thinking, to see this scramble to get another product out, is kind of a terrible red flag for signs of health.
Critically thought out and deep insight is what we need from Steven and his vision. I feel that a desire for there to be less of a sunk cost for testing, is just kind of a pipe dream. The costs of doing APOC poorly will reflect on the marketing for the MMO, which when you think about it, is what all this radio silence is supposed to achieve. However word of mouth is the power they're hoping to utilize here and yet its the biggest risk they're taking by exposing people to APOC and then cutting access to APOC abruptly, is very disruptive to the players they'd hope to gain and this is a pretty niche genre with a tight community of media. Doing stuff like this again is really not a good idea.

Wow that's extremely superficial analysis there. Yes, their greed is so strong that they kept apoc online despite its state and current purpose as a testing platform. Oh wait. And how dare they, a new gaming studio, ever think of funding themselves beyond what we paid them on kickstarter to do? What's that you say? But it's just an innovative idea to try and get some version of the game into people's hands earlier for them to be more engaged with the development process? That is indeed what we wanted BUT IN A BR? How could we possibly accept this?

People really need to stop giving them shit for this. You would be happy if more people supported IS by buying in game mmo skins but not if they did it through BR cosmetics? Wtf is the difference? Sure apoc could become its own thing later but right now, it is undeniable that it serves to better the mmo as well. There were talks originally that apoc might be in-game mmo content, kinda like battlegrounds of some sort. God damn, if they had only said that instead people wouldn't have lost their shit so hard, I have to say that was a marketing misstep. So why don't people just pretend that's the case? You wouldn't have a problem with an in-game mini-game BR would you? Using the same models, the same combat, the same engine, assets, server infrastructure etc (all of which are being tested in apoc)? No you wouldn't complain because if you don't like BR, you wouldn't engage in it, same fucking shit here. The BR cosmetic store could also have existed in-game as an mmo mini-game and people would not have bitched as much about it either.

The reality is that people are upset that they are not pumping out content and information about the game as if they were developing patches for an already existing game. People's expectations of turnaround time is absurd. Karthos has a nice comment on a post to put the speed in perspective (https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/42725/aoc-concerns#latest).

In conclusion: stop being so impatient and relax, take a cold shower or something. Also with this unoriginal, superficial analysis, we get it already, lots of people try to cash in with BRs. There are also people who enjoy BRs and those who try to make fun innovative BRs. There are also those you try to capitalize on the ease of making them for their own purpose. Which one is IS? Who fucking knows so exercise some patience and wait it out.

I love how, in the forums, one thing or another leads to the game already being over. Especially since it has yet to be released. Ashes: DOA.

@azathoth

Our friend Skatagories has a propensity for the alarmist dramatic.

As far as the headers go, it sounds like Ashes is already planning all those things. So maybe, for you, Ashes will hopefully make MMORPG's worth it again!

When it comes to putting a value on an off-hand they could just leave it off and make off-hand more of a utility slot instead of requiring a shield, tome or other weapon to be equipped to raise your gear score or item level. The off hand could just be an item needed to unlock certain skills or spells and the items could come with bonuses to those skills. Obviously, while wielding a two-handed weapon this slot dithers out or you can click a box to activate maybe a passive bonus available for all classes such as increased main hand damage, increased attack speed or reduced cooldowns for skills used with the main hand.