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SmileGurney wrote: »

If you want to provide any useful feedback dont ramble, remove emotions and state factually why you are leaving. Then there will be no excuses to censor or delete your posts. I just read your whole posts and it contains no information about you are upset or quitting etc.

Caww wrote: »

The analogy/explanation is too vague for the average reader to follow, let alone empathize. The actual circumstance from the game itself would let us know what caused this level of distress, which, I'm genuinely wondering about.

Literally both of these posts were addressed in the og thread that got deleted.

Seriously, I see this as a pretty big red flag for the forum moderation.

This is an example of why I hate playing with PvP gamers - too many have no sense of ethical sportsmanship.
It's just anything that is possible is fair game.
Training mobs is not intended to be a go-to strategy for PvP. Just because you won't be banned for it does not mean you should be doing that on any kind of regular basis.
Just because you can do it; doesn't mean you should do it.

Volgaris wrote: »

Game needs a Reputation System.

The game lags behind some of its systems, such reputation system or forced surname for all your characters, so unless you have an alt game account, its harder to hide your reputation.

-10 social score Intrepid

Ludullu wrote: »

Xeeg wrote: »

The whole point was that it was already hard enough up there, I was already struggling to get teams to go and fight, and they make it even harder?!?

So the ultimate reason is low rewards for high risk/effort.

So either the gear that dropped there wasn't worth shit (at least comparatively) or the effort required was just so damn high that even good gear wasn't worth it.

I think an easy fix would be to create some kind of alternative access to the spot (ideally reachable through a quest, imo). This would still allow Ocular to be as hardcore as it is right now, but it would at least create a better incentive for people to at least attempt to farm the spot.

Obviously a much better resolution to all this bs is to just reduce full item drops to near-non-existent and make the crafting side of things a much better/smoother experience. One of the biggest issues with the crafting side is obviously the node buildings being super hard to properly set up. Node sieges might help out with this, because we'd be able to rearrange some of the overall building setup on the server, and of course just having more nodes would help too (as well as lvl4 nodes).

So I guess it'd be a question of "what's harder: adding some ladder/stairs 3d models to the game or adding all the shit I mentioned above".

Most of it was skill issue/learning curve, as you asked about earlier. Once I figured out how to actually get to the grind and do the grind it was fine. I actually solo farmed one ocular once. It took a very long time, but I did it. I also did bard/cleric there once as a duo and it was similar. Doable, but took too long and wasnt efficient. Thats why i started to 4/5 man it. It was the sweet spot.

The problem was I didnt have a core group of people who wanted to keep doing it. Was the reward worth it? I think so, I kept telling my guild about it. They came a few times but all it took was a couple times for the cleric to not turn around properly before they quit and said the juice aint worth the squeeze.

Compounded on this, is that the oculars up there are currently bugged as hell, and the carphin tower is laggy. They will leash back to their original spot and regen to 100% over and over during a battle, randomly. Maybe this is intended behaviour? Shrug. If they behaved normally then yeah maybe i could see them trying to make the spot a little harder. But 4600 dmg on a regular attack? They were already doing that with the spell, which was already causing the spot to be too hard for regular players.

Anyways, I had a few people that were willing to keep trying with me over the past few weeks, and I was finally making progress where I had a few clerics in the realm I had met that knew the spot and could do it successfully. Most of my time and effort had been weeding through random pugs until I trained up enough people to actually do it. And then they jack the regular attack to 1 shot us too. It was just too much man.

This is what i was talking about with the "into the pit" mentality by the devs. It felt like they saw us up there, didnt care that we were struggling as all hell already and didnt really capitalize on anything, and decided to turn up the difficulty dial purely because "people shouldnt be up there" or something.

My caravan already bugged out that morning and yeeted itself 10km off the map. I was tired of caravan runs and bugs. I've already been told by the forums that gathering "isnt for me", so the only thing left is mob grinding and PVP. In order to PVP I need decent gear. This was my last thing to do in the game, and they took it away from me. So I rage quit.

Ludullu wrote: »

That's a horrible analogy when all you've done is overcomplicate the entire thing for yourself. Grab a tank or find a way to grab a tank and clear that spot way easier.

Now, I'd like a question to mods, what exactly was the reason for the deletion? None of the dicussion in the comments was inflamatory. If anything, we brought up great points of feedback for Intrepid and some of us even asked Xeeg to extrapolate on a few points, which would've helped get even better feedback.

So, @Vaknar @Roshen what was the reason to delete a perfectly fine discussion thread?

👋 The discussion was fine, other parts not so much. If the OP think their original post was wrongfully removed, they can DM me or a CM. But we don't chat about individual mod actions publicly.

Quests are a big part of MMO, although they don't follow the same model sometimes, it does add a different dynamic to the game. Also I know that quests take a long long time to build and implement. Especially those big story lines such as get this, get that to make this to give you access to there.

Its nice when they start out small. For example collect 10 things from these mobs and bring them back here and then ill give you the next quest kind of chain.

Its also nice when they give you 1 super hard quest and if you complete it ill give you some yummy stuff.

I have noticed in ashes that there are no items to be given when doing quests. For example sometimes in Wow you would only get access to an area in the game if you completed a quest. Or you would only get an item which gave you a specific advantage if you completed a quest. Certain items would give you a shield for 10 seconds, allow you to disappear with a 30 min cooldown, increase your fishing skill, or provide you with an enchant. Some of the items from quests for quite good for gear also. You had a reward of 1 tanking sword or a healer wand or something. You got to choose 1 of 3 things and if you chose the wrong one that was it.

The main challenges with the quests is the captivation of the audience to keep them entertained. Some of the stories are funny and some of them are unbelievable. But all in all its entertaining. Some are based on mythology, some on history and some on future. One other example are name skews - like the designer for blizzard who was Pat Nagle and then had a character based on his fishing called Nat Pagle in the game which gave you a fishing quest to get a cool rod that increased your fishing skill.

The whole spellset of the Mesmer in guildwars 2, the class was very fun to play, satisfying to watch and felt more original than most spells and classes in other games