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oobster wrote: »

Why do they want us to play on shitty latency and bad connection to US ???

Ludullu wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

This depends on when Ranger gets meaningful kiting ability, though.

I pretty much play as a ranger though Use bow and just finish the mob with an ability when they run up to me. I'd imagine the ranger has at least one attacking ability at lvl1, considering that even tank has it.

Start with that ability and then finish off the mob with autos. I doubt that tank passively has way more defense or hp at such a low lvl. Though even then, I'd usually use rations on 6-7th mob I think. And that's w/o proper kiting of them and instead going into them to use my melee abilities, so a kiting ranger (even just with the backwards dodge) should probably survive the same amount fairly easily.

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lamina5432 wrote: »

I do think 5 sec between auto-attack would feel to long but I wouldn't mind a little bit of something like that. Mainly so instant cast spells wouldn't generally interrupt the auto-attack combo.

This one can be slightly more difficult to encode than you might think at first, so it may take some time to add even if they do it. But long ago in Alpha-1, this was how it worked for a while.

Anyway, on to channeling my group's thoughts on this, with minimal mentions of TL or TP gauges!

AoC's Archetypes and stat formulae are designed in a way that we think will diminish weapon trees no matter what you do (not expanding on this, see previous line).

There just aren't enough effects to go around that don't take up the same slots as Archetype skills. This is a weird thing to say as someone who loves MOBA itemization, but I'd say the problem comes in the game style. AoC isn't really about 'hitting things with your weapon' a lot of the time, even with the TTK change. I don't mean that it can't be, but moreso that the way they've chosen abilities to work, very 'independently' of weapon, means that unless they start making playstyles where the Archetype skills feed into the weapon itself in some way (affecting parameters of auto-attacking or finishers a lot), the thing you care about is the strength of the skills you will use.

But this is a balance tightrope in every other game I've played. The attack speed/attack delay of weapons is tied directly to how everything about the combat works. And if one starts adding stat-lines to weapons while also having Finishers on them but not tying them to Archetypes, it creates the sort of swingy itemization meta that usually requires MOBA level telemetry outputs to even start working on.

There wouldn't be a reason to engage with it if it was changed to what OP suggests, basically. It would fall squarely between 'games we actually like the combat/weapons systems of' and 'games some of us quit and most of us were never willing to seriously play'.

Also, OP left out Spears and Staves. I'm not going to go into that too much but I will say that you can often judge a game's combat system based on how well it handles or fails to handle those, so a suggestion that leaves them out even incidentally can't inspire confidence for us.