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Re: Is there a problem for solo players
I fully agree. Steven is TALKING about a target audience which is something like himself, but he is DOING a game for other players. He is doing it for the young Steven 20-25y ago with the same nostalgic approach.MMO vets have lives now, jobs, families, so while some systems will hit that nostalgia factor, is Ashes really going to be for them? To me personally, it actually seems to be focused around younger players with excessive free time and minimal responsibilities like when current MMO vets first started out.
Correct.After all, you can’t reasonably call off work just to take part in a node siege. You can’t reasonably ditch your kid’s events or sports to go run a caravan. You can’t reasonably raid until 5am if you get up for work at 7am.
Let's see how this caravan stuff looks like during a real caravan gameplay. Is this caravan shipping around for 4 hours through half of the map? That's a game design only for elitists and frequent players investing more time in the game than somewhere else. And this is called a meaningful goal in game design? We will see, I don't think so, I guess it will be reduced to some hyper guilds which players are permament online and they will thus get huge advantages out of this systems because they will carry this caravans 1000 times and a normal player in a mid to large guild will do it 5-10 times with much higher risk but much reduced reward.
That's a really good and justified question. The game doesnt seem to be for time-casual but well-experienced MMO players with family, hobbies, job, some normal real life things. So not for the majority of MMO players out there, because if you ask a teenager the MMO field is dead, for them it's not existing, they are playing Fortnite, Roblox and perhaps Minecraft.So if the game isn’t made for MMO vets, who simply can’t devote the time investment required by the design tenants of Ashes, and it doesn’t appeal to the more modern iteration of young players due to nostalgia based design tenants, then who is it for?
Chaliux
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Re: Vassal resentment
No need to fix what ain't broke.
I hear that in C13's Voice from Team Four Star of DBZ Abridged.
Aszkalon
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Re: Consternation surrounding the 8x8 Class system and how to move forward.
I don't know how that can be the expectation for Ashes when there has never been any confusion that the labels for Classes are mostly thematic for the combo of Primary and Secondary Archetype.A player who is excited to be a Paladin is not going to be satisfied by a Tank that has Cleric themed abilities. Their expectation is that combining Tank and Cleric yields an entirely unique class. The unique and flavorful names given to each of the class combinations reinforces the idea that they will stand out as unique and flavorful classes that have their OWN unique abilities.
The whole point of a Primary Archetype is that it will be the primary aspect of the character's combat role.
In the sense that, by design, Ashes is balanced for an 8-person Group with one of each Primary Archetype.
Thematic is probably a better term than "flavor".
I don't know what you mean by "OWN unique abilities" when the primary aspect of the Class ability will be the Primary Archetype Active SKill modified significantly with an Augment.
I think you're right here - If anyone remembers the game "RIFT" from a few years back, there were many combinations of class and theme to choose from and they all had signature abilities with precious few themed abilities that added any real variety to playstyles.
Hunters were hunters, Clerics were clerics, with the only variety being whether you were hitting occasionally in melee range while healing or standing at range while exclusively healing.
I think phrasing 64 possible combinations as "classes" was marketing spin and our reality will be somewhat different but I'm still eager to try out a number of different themes to see which I like to play most.
Almost all modern games are all about the meta build for maximum damage or efficiency but I won't care which one is meta, I'll play one one I enjoy the most.
Re: Vassal resentment
Now you’re just being intentionally obtuse.
So, basically, what I get from that statement, is that you are saying you get to vote on who potentially vassalizes your home node? Are you saying you get to vote on whether your home node gets vassalized or not? Which nodes are above you? On who gets to be the mayor of each node above yours?
I mean, if you get to vote then, yeah, it’s not an automatic system check or a force vassalization. No rebellions needed. Problem solved. Sorry, I misunderstood literally all the information available about those exact things on the wiki. Whew, that’s totally a my bad situation. Someone should really clear off all that well documented bad information on the wiki though otherwise more people might come to the same incorrect conclusion.
Not really even sure how to respond to that statement without sounding condescending….So I’m not even going to try.
I suck at story writing but here goes.
Daddy - Sit down babydoll, let Daddy tell you about some grown up stuff involving groups of bad people and those that fight against them.
Daughter – Okay Papa!
Daddy - Okay, so, there are some bad people out in the world, it sucks but it’s true. Some of those bad people form up into group to take from anyone they can. Sometimes those bad groups of people even manage to enslave towns or villages or even other smaller groups of people, forcing them to do things or take their valuables. Now, as you can imagine, those enslaved people will not be happy about it.
Daughter – But Papa, if they are not happy why don’t they just move somewhere else?
Daddy- Some do baby girl, some do. Maybe even most, and some could argue that they are the smart ones.
Daughter – I’m smart, I can do my numbers and my abz’s too.
Daddy – Yes babydoll, you are very smart. Now back to what I was talking about. There are some people out there who refuse to give up everything they have worked so hard for. Those people then in turn start to gather and form small groups of their own, that’s what we call an uprising or a rebellion. Those groups will then begin to fight back trying to make things more difficult for the bad people, maybe covertly at first.
Daughter – Papa! What does covertly mean?
Daddy – It’s just a fancy word for secret baby girl. When I used it like that it was to say they would try to stay hidden, not let the bad people find out what they were up to.
Daughter – Ohh, so Mama covertly gives me ice cream after dinner sometimes?
Daddy – Sure babydoll, she tries to covertly give you ice cream sometimes. Now where were we? Ah, yes. After some time of operating covertly they will then start doing smaller things in the open without trying so much to stay hidden. If they can manage to start really making things more difficult for the bad people, then after a while they will begin to openly fight the bad people, usually in smaller numbers at first. If the bad people do not figure out what’s going on and put a stop to it then eventually the people rebelling against them will attack them outright and try to take control of their home back from them.
Daughter – I want to help fight the bad people too Papa!
Daddy – No baby girl, you said so yourself, you are smart. That’s why you are going with your Mama to stay somewhere safe. Daddy will stay here and fight for our home.
In case my horrible attempt at story writing didn’t convey the point. Leaving is not an act of rising up. I will agree that leaving can be a form of revolt in and of itself, but it is not rising up to overthrow an oppressor. Leaving is more akin to giving up than rising up. If you leave to join another group, you are still not rising up. That's just running away to hide under mommy's skirt hoping she will scare the bullies off for you.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it is broken. I do believe it will work as it is currently planned. I'm just saying it could be better. Why do you use a pen or pencil to write on paper? Charcoal sticks worked just fine. For that matter, why do you even write on paper? Stone tablets are hands down more durable and sturdier than paper; they worked just fine. An idea does not just have to be about fixing what's broken, but improvement in general. And in case you haven't noticed yet, the game is still being developed. That's the time to come up with ideas for improvement, push those idea's, and if those ideas are good hopefully have them implemented.
Indeed you can.
In the next election.
So, basically, what I get from that statement, is that you are saying you get to vote on who potentially vassalizes your home node? Are you saying you get to vote on whether your home node gets vassalized or not? Which nodes are above you? On who gets to be the mayor of each node above yours?
I mean, if you get to vote then, yeah, it’s not an automatic system check or a force vassalization. No rebellions needed. Problem solved. Sorry, I misunderstood literally all the information available about those exact things on the wiki. Whew, that’s totally a my bad situation. Someone should really clear off all that well documented bad information on the wiki though otherwise more people might come to the same incorrect conclusion.
you can raise up by leaving and joining another node to attack them, yes.
Not really even sure how to respond to that statement without sounding condescending….So I’m not even going to try.
I suck at story writing but here goes.
Daddy - Sit down babydoll, let Daddy tell you about some grown up stuff involving groups of bad people and those that fight against them.
Daughter – Okay Papa!
Daddy - Okay, so, there are some bad people out in the world, it sucks but it’s true. Some of those bad people form up into group to take from anyone they can. Sometimes those bad groups of people even manage to enslave towns or villages or even other smaller groups of people, forcing them to do things or take their valuables. Now, as you can imagine, those enslaved people will not be happy about it.
Daughter – But Papa, if they are not happy why don’t they just move somewhere else?
Daddy- Some do baby girl, some do. Maybe even most, and some could argue that they are the smart ones.
Daughter – I’m smart, I can do my numbers and my abz’s too.
Daddy – Yes babydoll, you are very smart. Now back to what I was talking about. There are some people out there who refuse to give up everything they have worked so hard for. Those people then in turn start to gather and form small groups of their own, that’s what we call an uprising or a rebellion. Those groups will then begin to fight back trying to make things more difficult for the bad people, maybe covertly at first.
Daughter – Papa! What does covertly mean?
Daddy – It’s just a fancy word for secret baby girl. When I used it like that it was to say they would try to stay hidden, not let the bad people find out what they were up to.
Daughter – Ohh, so Mama covertly gives me ice cream after dinner sometimes?
Daddy – Sure babydoll, she tries to covertly give you ice cream sometimes. Now where were we? Ah, yes. After some time of operating covertly they will then start doing smaller things in the open without trying so much to stay hidden. If they can manage to start really making things more difficult for the bad people, then after a while they will begin to openly fight the bad people, usually in smaller numbers at first. If the bad people do not figure out what’s going on and put a stop to it then eventually the people rebelling against them will attack them outright and try to take control of their home back from them.
Daughter – I want to help fight the bad people too Papa!
Daddy – No baby girl, you said so yourself, you are smart. That’s why you are going with your Mama to stay somewhere safe. Daddy will stay here and fight for our home.
In case my horrible attempt at story writing didn’t convey the point. Leaving is not an act of rising up. I will agree that leaving can be a form of revolt in and of itself, but it is not rising up to overthrow an oppressor. Leaving is more akin to giving up than rising up. If you leave to join another group, you are still not rising up. That's just running away to hide under mommy's skirt hoping she will scare the bullies off for you.
No need to fix what ain't broke.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it is broken. I do believe it will work as it is currently planned. I'm just saying it could be better. Why do you use a pen or pencil to write on paper? Charcoal sticks worked just fine. For that matter, why do you even write on paper? Stone tablets are hands down more durable and sturdier than paper; they worked just fine. An idea does not just have to be about fixing what's broken, but improvement in general. And in case you haven't noticed yet, the game is still being developed. That's the time to come up with ideas for improvement, push those idea's, and if those ideas are good hopefully have them implemented.
Re: [NA] Overlord | Hardcore | Organized PvX | Server First | Alpha/Beta Required - ~260 in A2
How can you expect people over 18 (normally people with jobs for the most part) to put in 40 hours a week? I don't understand how that's even possible unless you literally don't sleep, in which case you might be able to live for maybe a week or two before actually dying irl.
tl;dr your requirements are confusing.
This will separate those guilds who are hardcore from those who are not. This is an expectation at launch and will not be expected permanently.
40hrs = ~5 1/2hrs a day/night. For those who can put their life aside when they get home from work/school and play their heart out will be among the first who can accomplish great things in this game!
I'm 46 now and will not be one who can put in the 40hrs/wk, but I put in that and more when I was able to in my 20's/30's. Its definitely not for everyone. But do not misunderstand. You are referencing the combat guild. There will always be something to assist with no matter the amount of time you're able to commit. So in that sense you're a part of something great!
Noomsi
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Re: [NA] Overlord | Hardcore | Organized PvX | Server First | Alpha/Beta Required - ~260 in A2
Great place to find a family in ashes of creation, guild is well organized, friendly and has members from a lot of different time zones so finding someone to run with at your play time should be a breeze. Members include all ages and has been very welcoming to this old retired guy.
Weekly get togethers( even when the game is not open) several smaller streamers to pass your time when not in game and several groups hanging put on other games until AOC launches.
Guild has a plan for launch and is ready to go. Come check us out at our discord.
Weekly get togethers( even when the game is not open) several smaller streamers to pass your time when not in game and several groups hanging put on other games until AOC launches.
Guild has a plan for launch and is ready to go. Come check us out at our discord.
Ceebet
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Re: Is there a problem for solo players
Nothing to be scared about.Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »Pvpers can pve as well, while a lot of pvers are scared shitless of pvp, so I doubt it'll be much of an issue.
It's just not particularly fun... especially when not in the mood for it.
Dygz
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Re: [NA] Overlord | Hardcore | Organized PvX | Server First | Alpha/Beta Required - ~260 in A2
Sounds interesting. Kind of shopping around now but not sure about committing to anything.
Re: Is there a problem for solo players
I'd be very intersted to see how many of those people manage to follow the testing for more than a month If they're busy adults for whom $100 is chump change, then how much can they really test the game to give a proper piece of feedback for any of the designs. Well, more than they could do right on these forums for the past 7 years.For an adult with a job (most vet MMO players) that isn’t much of an investment as you think.
It is an investment for a teenager with a part time job and a car note, but those aren’t (or weren’t) the ones intended to be drawn in by the nostalgic MMO design format of Ashes.
And people have definitely been telling Steven that he's making a horrible game for those past 7 years. Somehow he keeps making it still
Ludullu
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