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HiddenDaggerInn wrote: »

I believe Steven is a man of his word and will protect his project at all costs, what worries me is the damage is more severe then we thought , hence why it's taking longer. Is the damage to great to recover from without a wipe? or will it just take more time to track all of these players transactions and for sure alt trading and any other ways to circumvent their actions.

Soon we will find out, hopefully they're able to take care of said players, but if a wipe is needed than so be it and this is another reason when you find a game changing exploit, it's never ok just to keep using it for the sake of "Testing" You actions not only affect you, but everyone else's time invested on the server for your own selfish purposes.

There has been more than one important exploit going on since the Dec launch so they are likely addressing more than just the war dec I focused more heavily on in this thread.

I also think Steven has his hands full in trying to figure out how to fairly reprimand a guild that intentionally spammed war decs for rewards .

Do you penalize the leader that declared all the wars and the people present during the time of the wars? Do you penalize anyone that accepted rewards? Or do you penalize the leader spamming the decs and just attempt to remove the benefits gained by everyone else in the guild?

When removing the tangible gains such as gold, do you also remove freeholds that were purchased from the gold made from the spamming?

While it might be easier to track tangible gains and remove some of it, how does he deal with the intangibles like the excessive xp gains?

Let's say that Steven decides to focus on taking action against the person spamming the war decs and then just removing as much of the unfair rewards gained from this exploit that he can. This would take some tracking, including figuring out all the excessive free xp each player in the guild gained from the exploiting and removing this from each player. Is this even possible? After taking action against the person that was spamming the war decs, does he also delete the character(s) that this person leveled in preparation of this punishment? How about the alt accounts purchased to funnel exploit gains to, do the devs dig in and attempt to find these and take action on these accounts as well?

I sympathize with Steven being in this position of having to babysit unethical testers but he made it clear that he would act harshly against exploiters so a lot of eyes are on him right now to see how he handles this.

If Steven refuses to follow through on his promises of harshly handling exploiters or his actions are considered weak, some players that sat back and did the right thing while one guild benefited, will reconsider their righteous actions when the next exploitable bug surfaces wondering if they too can get away with some exploiting. Steven talks a lot about risk vs rewards and some of his players are using this concept against him when it comes to exploits and actually seem to be winning.

Too many of us have seen how exploitation grows exponentially in both testing and a launched game when developers are lax in handling it so we hope Steven is taking the most recent exploits very seriously.

While I think the spamming of war decs will be a difficult one to handle, throwing up his hands because this situation is difficult to fairly take action on or worse yet, hiding behind a lame excuse such as action will not be taken because it was grey area and there wasn't a timer in place (wasn't grey for 99%), will only promote more exploiting. I fear the latter will also result in lost confidence in Steven as a developer by a significant number of his supporters.

I do not care if Steven takes longer to figure this out, it just needs to be communicated that this is still being worked on as the deadline he gave for action has come and gone and good faith based upon promises without action, only lasts so long.

Noaani wrote: »

Also, as it wasn't posted in a post that quoted you, it wasn't a direct reply. It was a post adding to the discussion in general.

It was in reply to a post that I made, the initial post that started this thread. There was no discussion at the time, just your reply to my post which did not address any of the actual points made in my post, it was just another one of your odd white-knightish posts where you attempt to derail a topic. 🤣

Noaani wrote: »

There was a statement of a date they would attempt to follow through. There was no promise to do so, just a statement that this would be the attempt.

Here, let me help you with the definition of the word promise according to both webster and oxford: "a declaration that one will do or refrain from doing something specified"

Noaani wrote: »

Second, that date has not yet past.

I suggest you pull up a visual picture of this months calendar to help you with this. The statement was made on Jan 8th that exploit actions would be ready before next (which is now last) week.

Noaani wrote: »

So, you are altering the comments that Intrepid made, making them much more definate than they were when said, and you are complaining that something that they said would happen soon hasn't happened yet.

No, you are once again just very very confused on what you read and/or are intentionally attempting to derail yet another topic with lies and strawman arguments. You have a very definitive pattern which many other posters have pointed out. I would not normally give your weird rabbit hole comments the time of day but hey, you are giving free bumps to the thread so......

Noaani wrote: »

And then you have the balls to say you aren't being a Karen.
Are you starting to see why I am saying that the issue is you yet?

Oh, I think I and many others on the forum see you and your agenda very clearly. 🤣

Let me make my point again, not for you as you appear unwilling or incapable of comprehending it, but for anyone you managed to twist into misunderstanding it.

Steven, you assured us back in November that you take exploits in alpha seriously and warned players that if they use them, they would be dealt with harshly. You indicated on December 25th that spamming war decs was exploitive and it would be addressed. On Jan 8th, you stated that exploit actions would be ready before last week. As we are past the deadline you volunteered for this, please update the community that this is still being worked on and that you intend to keep the promises you made to the community with handling exploitation and exploiters harshly.

I see the comments of just renounce citizenship but hares the thing, if I log in and the war is already going then what chance do I have to get to the town hall. In the case that started this thread I had not even rendered the game before I died then getting back into town was impossible. There were 20 or so max lvls just camping the one-way road up to town hall so good luck opening the chat box and renouncing with anything less than a personal goon squad of your own lvl 25s, in which case just fight. All I'm saying is for those in the mid tiers of gameplay going from logging out at "home base" a supposed safe place, to I can't play for almost 3 hours while this war resolves is going to put off a lot of players.

There's a ton of jank right now with these systems. At the bare minimum, you should get a 10-15 minutes delay between declaration and war. It makes 0 sense that you can declare war, then gank all the low/mid levels right in town where they have no means to defend themselves nor see it coming.

IMO town centers should be damage immune zones. As it stands now the level of griefing that is possible (and does/will happen in town centers) is much too high, even outside of any war. Especially when there is no risk/reward, rhyme or reason for it to be possible to happen (low/mid levels being griefed have no way to defend themselves and will just die outright and lose materials to a grief, even if they have ten lvl 25 guildies right next to them).

Also, isn't the purpose of NOT having fast travels in a large world, to force ppl to pick a homebase and most of the time choose activities that are reachable, like they do irl?

If you want to be in the import/export business, yes you will travel great distances quite often (and that SHOULD be a thing in AoC), but most ppl don't go to another country to get milk (except my dad, ba dum tsst, etc), they only go occasionally either on vacation or on a specific business trip with an important purpose.

What OP is presenting as the problem is equivalent to the hurdles of taking a plane from washington to florida to fix a printer... the solution is that you stay in your state and fix THEIR printers instead. :P

Noaani wrote: »

Cool, then you agree with me on the point you seem to be arguing.
Why are you arguing that point then?

I am not arguing any point, I am arguing you MAKING the strange point in reply to a post that had zero to do with it. 😲

Noaani wrote: »

The problem is, if you look at your relationship with Intrepid differently to how they look at their relationship with you, your expectations will not line up with reality.

If my expectations is for the devs to be fair and honest and handle exploits as they stated they would do, we do align.

Noaani wrote: »

You may have noticed, your expectations are not currently lined up with reality. This is probably because of the way you are looking at your relationship with Intrepid.

The only thing that lacks reality are your posts in this thread. Please stay on topic and refrain from strawman arguments that derail the topic.

Noaani wrote: »

The truth is, you have a valid issue to bring up if these issues are still present in summer.

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

No, I have a valid issue to bring now now, after the date Steven promised exploit action would be taken and there has been nothing but silence.

Noaani wrote: »

You do not have a valid issue to bring up in regards to a minor issue with a major in game system that is still in development

So now you turn exploiting in the game which Steven has stated he takes very seriously and will handle with harsh punishments into a minor issue? 🤣

Noaani wrote: »

You simply do not have a valid complaint right now. Your current dissatisfaction is akin to a Karen demanding to speak to the manager.

No, my point is that a developer should follow through with what they promise their community in regards to handling exploitation and if the timeframe they provide for doing this changes, communicate this with the community. Pretty simple concept which has nothing to do with a Karen.

You have not been close to having a valid response to anything I have said, you are twisting and strawmanning your way through the entire thread. I see now why so many others you have replied to have suggested you be banned or suspended, your actions appear to be intentional trolling to derail topics to get closer to that 16k number.

Congrats on your 15,866th post. 🤣

I believe Steven is a man of his word and will protect his project at all costs, what worries me is the damage is more severe then we thought , hence why it's taking longer. Is the damage to great to recover from without a wipe? or will it just take more time to track all of these players transactions and for sure alt trading and any other ways to circumvent their actions.

Soon we will find out, hopefully they're able to take care of said players, but if a wipe is needed than so be it and this is another reason when you find a game changing exploit, it's never ok just to keep using it for the sake of "Testing" You actions not only affect you, but everyone else's time invested on the server for your own selfish purposes.

This mechanic has absolutely zero place and has already been declared as griefing by the developers. If you want to contest an area, flag up and fight for it.