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Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
Intrepid lied about Pay2Win ?
How is paying $150 for 1 day or $400+ for 2 days of exclusive levelling access, in a vertical progression game, not Pay2Win ?
How can you repeat the mantra the game will not be Pay2Win and then do this ?
Would you consider experience potions/scrolls in the cash shop ....cosmetic items ?
<blockquote>Will Ashes of Creation be “Pay to Win” so to speak?
Ashes of Creation will not be pay to win, that is our pledge to the community. One of the core principles we set forth with Ashes of Creation is a very strong desire to maintain the game's even playing field.</blockquote>
How can you repeat the mantra the game will not be Pay2Win and then do this ?
Would you consider experience potions/scrolls in the cash shop ....cosmetic items ?
<blockquote>Will Ashes of Creation be “Pay to Win” so to speak?
Ashes of Creation will not be pay to win, that is our pledge to the community. One of the core principles we set forth with Ashes of Creation is a very strong desire to maintain the game's even playing field.</blockquote>
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The "vertical progression" you are basing your assumption on revolves primarily around nodes and node leveling - which will be disabled during the headstart. If you are still concerned about having a significant disadvantage, you are free to pick a non-headstart server where you and everyone else starts at the exact same time.
So to answer the question in your thread title: No, Intrepid did not lie about pay to win.
how is being able to play the game in alpha not pay to win?? Ye basicaly get to know the entire map were the best nodes are and the best farming spots ahed of time!!!
How is getting all the information about the classes you want, the abuility to test them and figure out what you are going to end up playing before the game is even out NOT pay to win?
I never spend money on games and its allways pisses me off how those rich kids allways seem to get ahed in life ! and even games!!
( some might not understand this is ironicaly)
^^^ This.
No matter how many times I've seen a version of that repeated on the forum today, people keep bringing up P2W again and again and again as if there's some big issue at hand when the reality is far simpler and more mundane than they seem to realise.
1 being able to play alpha is not pay to win because those servers get wiped and so on.
2. there will be servers which did not have a headstart.
so instead of bitching like some kind of idk pick your posion. Read everything before complaining.
Kids are being **** atm, Crying about P2W. The game will not be like that and thats that.
how is being able to play the game in alpha not pay to win?? Ye basicaly get to know the entire map were the best nodes are and the best farming spots ahed of time!!!
How is getting all the information about the classes you want, the abuility to test them and figure out what you are going to end up playing before the game is even out NOT pay to win?
I never spend money on games and its allways pisses me off how those rich kids allways seem to get ahed in life ! and even games!!
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not spending anymoney on games and then complaining about stuff? Idk that sort of mindset break the game industry and mmorpgs!!!
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not spending anymoney on games and then complaining about stuff? Idk that sort of mindset break the game industry and mmorpgs!!!
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i was being Ironical
<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/intrepid-lied-about-pay2win/#post-14060" rel="nofollow">BCGiant wrote:</a></div>
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not spending anymoney on games and then complaining about stuff? Idk that sort of mindset break the game industry and mmorpgs!!!
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Some might not understand irony
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i dont :P
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people need to rant, thats how it is. :( they need a hug.
You have now started to anoy me. When the servers come on prepare to get ganked, And get ganked good!!!
You have now started to anoy me. When the servers come on prepare to get ganked, And get ganked good!!!
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doubt we will be on the same server :) also read the doc. on discord before threatening me with getting ganked ;)
I bought a kickstarter but i'm prolly not gonna be the person to find out where i want to settle, some smart dude on the internet will prolly tell me where i should take my game.
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The “vertical progression” you are basing your assumption on revolves primarily around nodes and node leveling – which will be disabled during the headstart. If you are still concerned about having a significant disadvantage, you are free to pick a non-headstart server where you and everyone else starts at the exact same time.
So to answer the question in your thread title: No, Intrepid did not lie about pay to win.
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Dude ....I said absolutely nothing about node progression !
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So you agree then !
Leveling up increases your stats. That is the whole point of levelling up !
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If the team (and some of the players) has no idea of the what Pay2Win actually means...then everyone needs to be concerned.
1 being able to play alpha is not pay to win because those servers get wiped and so on.
2. there will be servers which did not have a headstart.
so instead of bitching like some kind of idk pick your posion. Read everything before complaining.
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Point 1 agree.
Point 2......link to info stating there will be one set of isolated servers for headstart players and one set of isolated servers for non-headstart players.
If you please sir. :)
how is being able to play the game in alpha not pay to win?? Ye basicaly get to know the entire map were the best nodes are and the best farming spots ahed of time!!!
How is getting all the information about the classes you want, the abuility to test them and figure out what you are going to end up playing before the game is even out NOT pay to win?
I never spend money on games and its allways pisses me off how those rich kids allways seem to get ahed in life ! and even games!!
( some might not understand this is ironicaly)
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LMFAO
<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/intrepid-lied-about-pay2win/#post-14063" rel="nofollow">BraneGames wrote:</a></div>
The only way players who get in earlier will be ahead is in terms of levels and maybe gear.
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So you agree then !
Leveling up increases your stats. That is the whole point of levelling up !
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You know its going to take something like 250+ Hours to level right? They are talking about even pushing that towards 300 hours. While Yep they get a 2 day headstart, in the grand scope of things its not that big of a deal because if you know anything about MMORPG launches launch day does not always go so well.
An extra day playtime is nothing. If you play a lot you'll be past most of those players in no time. The developers can't control how long the player plays.
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Dont be surprised if there are servers that are added after day 1 that will be fresh servers. And no a 2 day headset will really not be that big of a deal. What if let's say you were forced on a business trip for the first 2 days of headstart and well had bought headset are you going to complain that you dont get headstart? In a game where its going to take hundreds of hours to level and master things 2 days will not be that big of a deal.
<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/intrepid-lied-about-pay2win/page/2/#post-14112" rel="nofollow">Rune_Relic wrote:</a></div>
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<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/intrepid-lied-about-pay2win/#post-14063" rel="nofollow">BraneGames wrote:</a></div>
The only way players who get in earlier will be ahead is in terms of levels and maybe gear.
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So you agree then !
Leveling up increases your stats. That is the whole point of levelling up !
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You know its going to take something like 250+ Hours to level right? They are talking about even pushing that towards 300 hours. While Yep they get a 2 day headstart, in the grand scope of things its not that big of a deal because if you know anything about MMORPG launches launch day does not always go so well.
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Well yes...launches often dont go too well. I'll give you that :)
But 24 or 48 hours progress is a big deal.
Progress = Power.
Thats the whole point of vertical progression.
The fact they might or might not hit cap is neither here nor there
They will always be 48 hours more advanced than you.
That means you will be outperformed in every aspect by these players.
Especially the ones who know what they are doing with extensive alpha/beta testing experience.
Thats why people create bots.
Thats why people pay others to play their account for them.
That why people multibox with scripts.
So they can play 24/7/365 ... because progress is power.
Personally I'm not too bothered by early access in general and I suppose that non-early access servers take worries away for many. In the end those with most time will always be ahead of others
Also, early access may sound like a way for players to get ahead, which it is. But more practically it is really a very good way for developers to ramp up the servers and see if things are going well before the big release and if necessary make last minute changes to have a more smooth launch.
Last but not least, I don't really agree with the statement that they will always be 48 hours ahead of you. That statement is only valid in a scenario where you can indeed play 24/7 and all content is instantly unlocked.
When nodes do not develop, players will not have access to a lot of content and subsequent rewards that you will be able to get when you start out later. So holistically you will have an easier time leveling, even if from behind, as you do have access to those rewards relatively sooner. So you don't miss out on anything (as the nodes don't develop until you're there too). And you have a soft catch-up mechanic in place, because you can take advantage of rewards while leveling, which early access players can only access at the same time as you.
That said, it will always remain true they will always be potentially ahead of you. At least until the game is live long enough for the amount of hours to become nearly irrelevant. So its a matter of opinion and maybe a grey area for qualifying as pay2win. If you think it 100% is so, no matter what people say, you are entitled to your opinion! (as are they)
Personally I'm not too bothered by early access in general and I suppose that non-early access servers take worries away for many. In the end those with most time will always be ahead of others
Also, early access may sound like a way for players to get ahead, which it is. But more practically it is really a very good way for developers to ramp up the servers and see if things are going well before the big release and if necessary make last minute changes to have a more smooth launch.
Last but not least, I don't really agree with the statement that they will always be 48 hours ahead of you. That statement is only valid in a scenario where you can indeed play 24/7 and all content is instantly unlocked.
When nodes do not develop, players will not have access to a lot of content and subsequent rewards that you will be able to get when you start out later. So holistically you will have an easier time leveling, even if from behind, as you do have access to those rewards relatively sooner. So you don't miss out on anything (as the nodes don't develop until you're there too). And you have a soft catch-up mechanic in place, because you can take advantage of rewards while leveling, which early access players can only access at the same time as you.
That said, it will always remain true they will always be potentially ahead of you. At least until the game is live long enough for the amount of hours to become nearly irrelevant. So its a matter of opinion and maybe a grey area for qualifying as pay2win. If you think it 100% is so, no matter what people say, you are entitled to your opinion!