PvE'er does not mean crafter (Comment about friday live stream)

ArchivedUser

So friday livestream. All i hear the dev's talking about is pve'ers wanting to do crafting. If you think all primary PvE players want to do is craft/gather/farm we would go play archeage. PvE'ers like to explore, experience content , work as a team , etc.... We dont want a game company to try and replace actual content with "ohh go gank each-other for fun" we want actual content and the chance to explore it.

So my thoughts on what most (not all ) PvE'ers want to do.

1. Dungeons ( instance are better because pk's cant gank you mid boss fight )
2. Raids having a 20 to 40 man team work together is just cool
3. Quests that involve more then "Kill 20 giant maggots!, then Kill 50 Gaint Maggots!"
4. Dynamic PvE world content.

RP Activities (Damm pvp destroying carebears! )
1. Hang out or around an Inn making social connections.
2. Bring people from different nodes together in an epic story. I mean they said we write the story right ? Lets prove them correct.
3. Help someone else build up a place that isn't even yours because you can.

Minor pvp
1. Defending a town or village on occasion.
2. Dont mind getting all my raid geared pve friends together to escort a caravan.

Maybe if we are bored or auction house pirates are profit gouging again some crafting to off set the cost of the other activities.

ArchivedUser

Yeah, I keep hearing that there has to be PvP combat in order to have risk.
If you don't like PvP combat, you don't like risk.

But, don't sweat the diss. If you're down for defending a town or village on occassion, you should enjoy AoC just fine, I think.

ArchivedUser

Ahoy!

I'm going to avoid addressing each individual point and keep it succinct. Unless you'd prefer a more detailed response.

Intrepid has discussed the PvE activities in a rather impressive amount of detail for it being so far from alpha. From their discussion it is clear that they feel passionately about helping gamers find an MMORPG that satisfies their playstyle. At no time did they explicitly say that PvE was focused around crafting, but that crafting would be an extremely important and influential part of the game. For the nodes to develop, materials and construction expansions will be required. For players to grow and be able to accomplish higher level objectives, better gear and items will be required. So crafting will affect the overall success of a node over time, and improve the performance of players themselves.

That said, the team has highlighted multiple times they want players to be able to explore and enjoy the game world, as well as mentioning that large raids will be a thing. I can't speak for instanced dungeons, but if I remember correctly they were stated as being open-world rather than instanced. Quests will be dynamic, changing in depth and volume according to the activities within the node and its growth. They even mentioned going so far as to make NPC's attack nodes if the conditions are right (not 100% on that one, though). Everything else you listed will, from what I gather, be available to do. If you haven't, I would suggest checking out the FAQ's and Twitch streams, or join the Discord. Lot's of good information. Hopefully this helps allay some of your fears, PvE is certainly not forgotten in AoC.

Here's a doc member put together that outlines much of what we know: <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=14luppZ3Ub8jmcw_aK65QWxYY4xa8qAo9zRfpYWBxOXE">AoCInfoDoc</a>

ArchivedUser

I agree with the OP, though. After having played Black Desert Online, and Archeage, among many other games, this tends to be the route many developers go with their games. I do really enjoy PvP content when it's sieges like GW2's WvW, and that's primarily what I did on that game for years. But aside from that I am primarily a PvE player, and that means I love engaging quests and storylines. I love PvE content that makes the world feel alive and provides challenges. Generally speaking, I HATE crafting. ESO is the only game I have ever played where I didn't hate crafting since their crafting system made sense and didn't require tons of overly complicated materials in specific portions to create what I wanted to, so it wasn't overly time consuming and complex.

Generalizing PVE players with Crafters is dangerous, because you're making a very broad assumption about both groups of players.

ArchivedUser

I wouldn't say they are generalizing PvE players. I would call myself a PvE player and didnt craft in every game I have played. The fact is that the easiest way to engage primarily PvE players and PvP players is through crafting or something similar where the PvE player is "supporting" the PvP player. Do I agree with this method? Yes and no. Yes, because as a PvE player, you prefer to be in a "safer" place to explore, read quest dialog, etc, without being ganked. So the easiest way to do this is to remove you from that risk. Based on what I have seen on the streams, I dont think this is there intent. As they have said many times, the node is built around ALL activity. I would think they will but in some type of balance where one activity does not have any more weight that the other in growing the node.

Now. When it comes to sieges, you have to call a spade a spade. Honestly ESO and DAOC did this very well. You could do in to the "PVP" areas and siege the enemy keeps and never kill one player, however, a player could be there to assist. This gave you an options yet put you in a position to be a part of a PVP action that had consequences in PVP.

Time will tell if AoC will be like this. But so far I like what I am hearing.

Similarin

ArchivedUser

The game will require more and more cooperation in multiple disciplines as the nodes advance.
Teamwork is the games anchor really.
Crafting, economy, exploration, combat of all kinds will 'have' to work together.

ArchivedUser

[quote quote=17882]The game will require more and more cooperation in multiple disciplines as the nodes advance.
Teamwork is the games anchor really.
Crafting, economy, exploration, combat of all kinds will ‘have’ to work together.

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+1

ArchivedUser

I agree with Kadin and Tatiana that the way Steven talks about PvE players is that they will primarily craft for the PvP players and the PvP players will protect the PvE players. As if PvE players don't like combat.
That may not be his intention. But that's the it sounds when he presents his vision.

ArchivedUser

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So my thoughts on what most (not all ) PvE’ers want to do.

1. Dungeons ( instance are better because pk’s cant gank you mid boss fight )
2. Raids having a 20 to 40 man team work together is just cool
3. Quests that involve more then “Kill 20 giant maggots!, then Kill 50 Gaint Maggots!”
4. Dynamic PvE world content.
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AoC has this stuff....