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Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
Skeptical of AOC let me share some info!
If you Skeptical about AoC let me share some info I know to ease your mind a bit
Stream on "<a href="http://www.twitch.tv/ashesofcreation">Twitch Ashes of Creation</a>"
Every Monday,Wednesday, Friday at 3:00pm PDT ( Pacific daylight timing )
So you can always drop in and sorta get the feel of Intrepid studios
little Background info
"Steven Sharif" is creative director as I assume you already know if not well their ya go
Hes a gamer him self and hes been scammed lied to etc..... from other mmos hes dealt with pay to win features
Before the kickstarter was launch He already spent 14 months building the game and spending his own money
the game is going to be launch the kickstarter just helps improve the game and make it come sooner then later
Also some info on the kickstarter
(down below on the kickstarter campaign tab theirs this )
These are our promises to you:
* To continue our open development process with you, our backers, on our website and Discord channels.
* And finally, in the case that Ashes of Creation does NOT launch, we promise to refund all backers in full.
Moving on :).....
He was a guild leader for more then 3 years. Here's a video of him giving an epic speech :) on another mmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQmahflej8
I'm pretty sure He wants to create a MMO everyone would enjoy
For info base game I suggest you look at the 2 videos on nodes ( link below )
https://youtu.be/mMvubbX-SHg
https://youtu.be/44HChA1Kkfk
Further Information about this game I suggest youtuber "Deathsproxy"
https://youtu.be/exzc1P2ka1A?list=PLJvvIDgksu7OluQF-IeSzwh_AlEMe8m7s
Stream on "<a href="http://www.twitch.tv/ashesofcreation">Twitch Ashes of Creation</a>"
Every Monday,Wednesday, Friday at 3:00pm PDT ( Pacific daylight timing )
So you can always drop in and sorta get the feel of Intrepid studios
little Background info
"Steven Sharif" is creative director as I assume you already know if not well their ya go
Hes a gamer him self and hes been scammed lied to etc..... from other mmos hes dealt with pay to win features
Before the kickstarter was launch He already spent 14 months building the game and spending his own money
the game is going to be launch the kickstarter just helps improve the game and make it come sooner then later
Also some info on the kickstarter
(down below on the kickstarter campaign tab theirs this )
These are our promises to you:
* To continue our open development process with you, our backers, on our website and Discord channels.
* And finally, in the case that Ashes of Creation does NOT launch, we promise to refund all backers in full.
Moving on :).....
He was a guild leader for more then 3 years. Here's a video of him giving an epic speech :) on another mmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQmahflej8
I'm pretty sure He wants to create a MMO everyone would enjoy
For info base game I suggest you look at the 2 videos on nodes ( link below )
https://youtu.be/mMvubbX-SHg
https://youtu.be/44HChA1Kkfk
Further Information about this game I suggest youtuber "Deathsproxy"
https://youtu.be/exzc1P2ka1A?list=PLJvvIDgksu7OluQF-IeSzwh_AlEMe8m7s
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Still not convince Every Monday , Wednesday , Friday at 3pm PDT ( pacific daylight timing) hes their on stream answering question about the game trying to leak out as much info as he can without revealing to much about the game ( gotta have some secrets :P )
Also on the community discord he pops in here and there when he got time answer questions I don't know about you but I've never seen a developer go this far before just saying!
( its always someone else doing it instead of the Director of the game )
Just saying Tell me your thoughts or add some info I didn't mention!!
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The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven's past troubling so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn't always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad Mcquaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/skeptical-of-aoc-let-me-share-some-info/#post-25642">Irobot wrote:</a></div>they also use steven’s past, or the kickstarter and referral, claiming it’s a scam. I have no clue how to change their minds about that, but I’ll say that if he wanted more cash, he’d not take the time to do all this.
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The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven's past troubling so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn't always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad Mcquaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
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The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven's past troubling so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn't always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad Mcquaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
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The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven's past disconcerting so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn't always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad McQuaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money, I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
1. Fans are posting about "how it isnt a scam" or "this is going to be a legit game" etc (you get the picture). Yet its been one of the most successful MMO kickstarters in history. So given that, what is there to defend or sell? It would appear mission accomplished.
2. Naysayers (some) are saying "its a scam" or "sub models dont work". Yet, as exampled above its a successful kick starter so why would you keep saying its a scam when clearly its a resounding success pre alpha. I mean are they suggesting thousands of people are wrong?
I frankly dont get the over sell and the naysayers. I do understand these are the official forums populated largely by fans who have paid money up front for a game so getting any modicum of objectivity is not a likely scenario. Still, its almost as if the last decade of P2D model (pay to develop) hasnt been enough to make people really think twice about giving gaming companies money before a tangible playable product is out.
Often these are the same people who end up railing against companies for lock boxes, p2w, lack of rules enforcement etc, but there they are, new game and they are falling over themselves to throw money at it. As gamers its up to use to change the industry, prefunding companies that have no tangible product you can use is betting. Maybe this bet is a good one but the mmo gaming community seems to be swimming in a rising tide of hypocrisy.
AoC has a successful "pre launch" I personally cant believe thats where we are at in the mmo gaming community. Where Pre launches and Pre alphas are celebrated, reviled and nurtured. Its counter intuitive to me as a gamer, I dont buy the hype or the negativity. It just reeks of hypocrisy all around.
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The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven's past disconcerting so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn't always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad McQuaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money, I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of "everyone else has one" which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven's past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money, I don't believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with "your personal referral link". Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn't matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
I am one that has not even bothered to try and use the referral system yet. Of course I am fully aware that it is not MLM and that it is a diminishing return type of deal when my referrals refer their friends, my part diminishes. Still I am not comfortable asking for my friends' referrals yet. Not until there is more game than hype! :) I do talk about it within my circles and my current guild, however...
He's just hyping his game - same as Curt Schilling, Dave Georgeson and Sean Murphy hyped their games.
Can Steven deliver on his dreams...??
We will have to wait and see.
Thanks for sharing the videos :)
No one is required to back the game and the devs themselves have said plenty of times they can make a complete functional game without community support. If you aren't willing to take a gamble or don't have extra money to throw towards the game then don't. It's as easy as that.
As far as all the people that dig into the past. It's the generation we live in and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. Bottom line is the game will(hopefully) be developed with or without your support and in the end only time will tell what comes of Ashes of Creation.
AoC has a successful “pre launch” I personally cant believe thats where we are at in the mmo gaming community. Where Pre launches and Pre alphas are celebrated, reviled and nurtured. Its counter intuitive to me as a gamer, I dont buy the hype or the negativity. It just reeks of hypocrisy all around.
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I feel and understand you, but honestly, if they do be successful, they are going to 'steal' customers from other MMOs. the fans of the others will obviously hate on it and try to take it down. that's just how economics works. fans are essentially the shield they use to drive away such people.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/skeptical-of-aoc-let-me-share-some-info/#post-25853">Hatchet wrote:</a></div>The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven’s past disconcerting so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn’t always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad McQuaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of “everyone else has one” which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven’s past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money, I don’t believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with “your personal referral link”. Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn’t matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
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Steven already explained it, even with all the marketing ads and so on so forth, the maximum spread of MMORPGs is through word of mouth of the player. so you essentially paying the forumers to do your advertising, instead of spending your own time.it sparks controversy, no doubt, but it works. once people decide it's a scam, you cannot convince them otherwise. so don't bother. same with fans I presume.
1. Fans are posting about “how it isnt a scam” or “this is going to be a legit game” etc (you get the picture). Yet its been one of the most successful MMO kickstarters in history. So given that, what is there to defend or sell? It would appear mission accomplished.
2. Naysayers (some) are saying “its a scam” or “sub models dont work”. Yet, as exampled above its a successful kick starter so why would you keep saying its a scam when clearly its a resounding success pre alpha. I mean are they suggesting thousands of people are wrong?
I frankly dont get the over sell and the naysayers. I do understand these are the official forums populated largely by fans who have paid money up front for a game so getting any modicum of objectivity is not a likely scenario. Still, its almost as if the last decade of P2D model (pay to develop) hasnt been enough to make people really think twice about giving gaming companies money before a tangible playable product is out.
Often these are the same people who end up railing against companies for lock boxes, p2w, lack of rules enforcement etc, but there they are, new game and they are falling over themselves to throw money at it. As gamers its up to use to change the industry, prefunding companies that have no tangible product you can use is betting. Maybe this bet is a good one but the mmo gaming community seems to be swimming in a rising tide of hypocrisy.
AoC has a successful “pre launch” I personally cant believe thats where we are at in the mmo gaming community. Where Pre launches and Pre alphas are celebrated, reviled and nurtured. Its counter intuitive to me as a gamer, I dont buy the hype or the negativity. It just reeks of hypocrisy all around.
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Well, let them battle it out. this post is just to ensure that we get as many skeptics to see the MMO before naysayers drive them away. it is a success, but again, I've seen it happen and know how badly it can affect the game.
AoC has a successful “pre launch” I personally cant believe thats where we are at in the mmo gaming community. Where Pre launches and Pre alphas are celebrated, reviled and nurtured. Its counter intuitive to me as a gamer, I dont buy the hype or the negativity. It just reeks of hypocrisy all around.
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I feel and understand you, but honestly, if they do be successful, they are going to 'steal' customers from other MMOs. the fans of the others will obviously hate on it and try to take it down. that's just how economics works. fans are essentially the shield they use to drive away such people.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/skeptical-of-aoc-let-me-share-some-info/#post-25853">Hatchet wrote:</a></div>The past is often a great equalizer of all future intentions, everyone has one and some are worse than others. I find Steven’s past disconcerting so I look at everything that is said with caution. Good intentions and knowing how to talk to your audience doesn’t always equate to a deliverable promise, just like how I look at anything stated by Brad McQuaid about Pantheon. No one gets to be in an elevated position without sitting under the old shade tree a time or two.
My biggest issue though has always been the referral system. It is not illegal nor is it a scam, but it is not needed and draws unwanted attention away from the product. The referral system is usually defended under the shield of “everyone else has one” which is true, what is hard to defend is the RLM aspect of it and how it feels a lot like AMWAY. Again there is nothing legally wrong with it but it allows people to have the impression that it is a referral scam based on around cash payouts. When you combine this with Steven’s past people will jump to the lowest logical conclusion as they have nothing else to really base their judgement off of.
If Intrepid would have scrapped the referral system or at least changed it to not involve money, I don’t believe any of this would have been a problem. This is a sticking point though as from everything I have read or heard in live streams is that they are entrenched and refuse to even acknowledge a potential conflict of interest which makes even more speculation. This is an issue of their own making and they do not seem to want it to go away (for reasons known only to them).
The worse part about the referral program (to me) is the link spam.
The kickstarter comments and update comments are awash with “your personal referral link”. Two of the gaming websites I use for news have already banned them in comments and on the forums. I believe this more than anything else makes people believe it is a scam because that is how all scam referrals are posted! If it looks like a scam people are going to assume it is a scam, it doesn’t matter how you try and explain it. In my opinion Intrepid needs to reevaluate how they want their presence on the internet to be is it one based on a new MMO with a bright future or spamming referral links that people already assume are some type of scam.
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Steven already explained it, even with all the marketing ads and so on so forth, the maximum spread of MMORPGs is through word of mouth of the player. so you essentially paying the forumers to do your advertising, instead of spending your own time.it sparks controversy, no doubt, but it works. once people decide it's a scam, you cannot convince them otherwise. so don't bother. same with fans I presume.
AoC has a successful “pre launch” I personally cant believe thats where we are at in the mmo gaming community. Where Pre launches and Pre alphas are celebrated, reviled and nurtured. Its counter intuitive to me as a gamer, I dont buy the hype or the negativity. It just reeks of hypocrisy all around.
For scam why I have no idea why they claim that seems pretty simple concept ( haven't really dive into that all to much )
You get your link you refer your friend he click on it done hes recruited....
you get a X % cash on anything hes spends like cosmetics etc... and you can choose to spend that money on subscription fee
( not sure if you can take the cash out like on a check or something )
Even so I'm clearly not seeing the issue A MMO can't stand if theirs is no players to play your helping them get people on that game and because your doing that you get a benefit
To make money you gotta spend money!
just my point of view and personally if the referral is your only problem to not even try the game you are setting your standards way to high!!
Just my thoughts I'm open for constructive criticism
And what i see so far, looks great!
But I don't see (at least I don't know) what a referee gets out of it?
Why would I accept a referal link from anyone else? Why not just sign up plain, and then simply start giving my own links to other people?
What do I get by accepting someones referal link?
Correct, there are much easier ways to make money, but once an idea gets into a whack-job's head and they think they've uncovered some huge secret, <em>nothing</em> will dislodge it.
But I don’t see (at least I don’t know) what a referee gets out of it?
Why would I accept a referal link from anyone else? Why not just sign up plain, and then simply start giving my own links to other people?
What do I get by accepting someones referal link?
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I have no idea thats what I thought far as my knowledge you don't get anything if you click on a referral link
I have no idea thats what I thought far as my knowledge you don't get anything if you click on a referral link
Generally, the person referring you is a friend or family member. You get the satisfaction of knowing you're indirectly giving to that friend/family and it costs you nothing more then the sub fee you're already willing to spend. You then, in turn, can do the same for a friend or family of your own and they can do the same for you.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/skeptical-of-aoc-let-me-share-some-info/#post-26168">JcTruper wrote:</a></div>Yeah I agree the refer links are a bit annoying!</blockquote>
Ultimately, I cannot see in any way, shape, or form the refer programs is bad or annoying. You get something for nothing 100% of the time. If you don't like the system don't use it. Please keep in mind, JCTruper I'm not pointing a finger specifically in your direction. I use the word "you" in my second sentence of this paragraph in a more general term for the reader of my post.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/skeptical-of-aoc-let-me-share-some-info/#post-25642">Irobot wrote:</a></div>they also use steven’s past, or the kickstarter and referral, claiming it’s a scam. I have no clue how to change their minds about that, but I’ll say that if he wanted more cash, he’d not take the time to do all this.</blockquote>
Bottom line is he's put WAY more money of his own cash (I've heard a number around 30m - don't quote me on that) into this game than he can ever hope to get back out in a KS campaign. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose should AoC ever be a scam, or worse yet, fail to deliver.
A question was asked 'What do I get for accepting a referral link?'
Generally speaking any link you would legitimately accept is likely to be a friend or family. So, the best way I can answer it is you get the satisfaction of indirectly helping said friend or family member. It costs you nothing other than the sub and/or cash shop fee(s) you were clearly already willing to spend. You, in turn, can then refer you friend/family and get the same benefit.
While we're talking about the referral program, for those that think the cash back is 'bad', please tell me why. I'll admit I'm ignorant to Steven's "past" that is being reference in some posts. I don't ask for education to put anyone on the defensive, I just want to understand the opinion better. My question would be; how is the cash back option any different then a car dealership, a cell phone company, a credit card company, or any company for that matter that offers cash for referral? Cash back is a very common, accepted, and in my cases encouraged, practice in business today. Why should it be 'bad' for a MMORPG development studio to do the same for their product?
I think the bottom line we have to look at is Steven has injected far more of his own cash (I've heard upwards of 30m - don't quote me on that) into the game. That's far more money then IS will ever see on a KS campaign. Steven, personally, has nothing to gain and everything to lose should it result in a scam, or worse yet, fail to deliver. While we'll have to see on the delivery part, I wholeheartedly do not believe it is in any way, shape, or form a scam.
A question was asked 'What do I get for accepting a referral link?'
Generally speaking any link you would legitimately accept is likely to be a friend or family. So, the best way I can answer it is you get the satisfaction of indirectly helping said friend or family member. It costs you nothing other than the sub and/or cash shop fee(s) you were clearly already willing to spend. You, in turn, can then refer you friend/family and get the same benefit.
While we're talking about the referral program, for those that think the cash back is 'bad', please tell me why. I'll admit I'm ignorant to Steven's "past" that is being reference in some posts. I don't ask for education to put anyone on the defensive, I just want to understand the opinion better. My question would be; how is the cash back option any different then a car dealership, a cell phone company, a credit card company, or any company for that matter that offers cash for referral? Cash back is a very common, accepted, and in my cases encouraged, practice in business today. Why should it be 'bad' for a MMORPG development studio to do the same for their product?
I think the bottom line we have to look at is Steven has injected far more of his own cash (I’ve heard upwards of 30m – don’t quote me on that) into the game. That’s far more money then IS will ever see on a KS campaign. Steven, personally, has nothing to gain and everything to lose should it result in a scam, or worse yet, fail to deliver. While we’ll have to see on the delivery part, I wholeheartedly do not believe it is in any way, shape, or form a scam.
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People think that its a scam for several reasons and lie is one of them.
Steven have never said anything about how much money he have invested in the hame.
The only think he said is that the game WILL NEED 30 mln to be completed.
Posts saying over and over about him really investing that money - thats makes people to think that they are being fooled.
Steven has never said anything about how much money he have invested in the game.
The only thing he said is that the game WOULD NEED 30 mln to be completed.
Posts saying over and over again about him really investing that money - that makes people to think that they are being fooled.
Steven have never said anything about how much money he have invested in the game.
The only thing he said is that the game WILL NEED 30 mln to be completed.
Posts saying over and over again about him really investing that money – that makes people to think that they are being fooled.
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..because he clarified on an external website article how much was personally invested aside from kickstarter.
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To clear up the 30 million talk
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He did however spend some of his own money before the kickstarter how much? No idea but to make a mmo game I pretty sure it wasn't cheap!
None of the less thanks for Sharing the feed back ladies and gentlemen! Keep them coming xD