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In game marriage and you, is this something you want in AoC?

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  • What if the marriage doesn't work out?  What if one spouse leaves the game = abandonment.  Will there be alimony and child support?  Then we'll need lawyers and courts and florists.  :o:s:):D
  • Shared stuff - lovely concept that conflicts with my trust issues ^^
  • I certainly don't want it in life so I guess I'll do it in-game! 
  • I don't think it's something I'd do but I'm happy for it to be included in the game for those that would like it to be.
  • im fine with ingame marriage as long as players do not get a gameplay advantage over everyone else
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    Absolutely a must have feature, but as long you do not receive bonuses that make it almost necessary to do. Things like shared inventory and enhancement buffs for being in a group together would make this a must have. I think things like cosmetic rewards for staying together would be cool, maybe make special cosmetic gifts for 1 month, 6 months, 1 year, 2 year, etc.
  • Geting married and not having sex.... like paying tax while unemployed :|  
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    Hell no! 

    My first marriage didnt work out so well.....and i lost 1/2 of everything including my house, 1/2 my retirement savings and she even got the damn dog....lol...ugghhh

     Why the heck would i want that in my game too  :/

    How about a one night stand, netflix(or what ever the ashes equivalent of Netflix is)and chill, no commitment kinda system. You know.. you meet at the Tavern.. make small talk.. run around a bit and kill things , make some dinner together... watch the submarine races....and go your separate ways and i get to keep  my gold and my Pet..  B)

  • Azathoth said:
    I don't think there should be bonuses to stats/xp-gen/fast-travel/etc. just because two players marry their toons. Adding benefits mean players marry for benefits.
    Other than the "no benefits" thing, I think this should be an option.

    As for the shared bank accounts and freeholds, I think there will be an in game option to do this with a possibly limited number of friends.

    As usual, USE is right, this topic has been discussed several times.
    @Azathoth
    So i can assume you're okay with maybe a "family" system (similar to AA). Regarding the "no bonuses...benefits mean players marry for benefits." Why would this be a concern of yours? I mean any organization brings "benefits" usually a "group" can get more done then a single player. Ex. wouldn't you say that people join guilds because they give benefits? Some of those guild benefits directly relate to xp-gens/stat modifiers/ect in other games. So why shouldn't there a modilar, albeit small, benefit for those who choose to get married to each other, or those who decided to create a family (clan for you east MMO's). I mean if i'm not mistaken the studio has stressed that they want players to actually play together and cooperate with one other in order to achieve 
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    So m2w instead of p2w. We have no indication that guild membership will bring exp or stat modifiers yet. This has also been discussed as a mechanic from other games that kill true motivation for guild membership and lead to bloated guilds full of inactive alts. The go to industry giant WOW provides those exp bonuses and things like hearthstone 50% cooldowns, thus making people feel they have to join a guild, any guild, so they are not "losing out." Hopefully we will see better from Ashes. We will have to see down the line what exactly the guild "trees" offer.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    So m2w instead of p2w. We have no indication that guild membership will bring exp or stat modifiers yet. This has also been discussed as a mechanic from other games that kill true motivation for guild membership and lead to bloated guilds full of inactive alts. The go to industry giant WOW provides those exp bonuses and things like hearthstone 50% cooldowns, thus making people feel they have to join a guild, any guild, so they are not "losing out." Hopefully we will see better from Ashes. We will have to see down the line what exactly the guild "trees" offer.
    Interesting. 
    1) Do you believe no guild benefits should be given other than what the management provides (DKP/Paying members).
    2) Do you believe that only XP bonuses should be excluded from the benefits a guild can provide?
    3) Do you believe that in general there should be no xp modifiers in the game? (including profession xp seeing as i presume that would be different then combat xp (think artisan crafting vs character level))?
    4) Please expand further if you have anything else to add to the follow questions and their resultant answers.

    *PS. previous statement didn't only include xp modifers but also stat bonus and ect...(expand upon) can i assume those shouldn't be provided under your statement also?
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    @Guildart
    Why would you need modifiers to a marriage?
    Wouldn't the marriage be a statement of love, or possible eternal friendship?
    If there are bonuses associated with being married, why would you and your buddy not just "marry" each other and move on?

    Who cares if you adventure with another character you chose to call family?
    If you and your* buddy decide marriage is weird, why not call yourselves brothers for the same benefit?

    What part about claiming a familial or marriage bond is the part that grants the bonus? Are the gods just happier in general for peeps with family or that are married and they think those individuals deserve a bonus that others do not?

    I don't think being in a guild should give you bonuses, you should join a guild for companionship and to adventure with like minded individuals. If you only join a guild for bonuses I would say, imo, you are doing it wrong.

    I believe in general there should be no xp modifiers in the game. Why does everyone want a hand out in MMO's?

    I am 100% backing my original statement,
    "I don't think there should be bonuses to stats/xp-gen/fast-travel/etc. just because two players marry their toons. Adding benefits mean players marry for benefits.
    Other than the "no benefits" thing, I think this should be an option."

    As far as why it is a concern of mine, this thread was started so everyone could voice their opinions on the subject, and I voiced mine. It would concern me if everyone joined a guild and then everyone in the guild paired off to get married so* they can have bonuses. Because, imo, that's lame.

    Post Script (not really)
    Please explain to me why two, or more players, need benefits because they like to play with each other?

    *Grammar/Spelling Edits
  • We know that there is going to be a rested exp mechanic from inns. Adding a guild exp mechanic, and then throwing another paired exp bonus on top of that is just silly. Most benefits from guild will most likely be things that affect sieges either castle or node. If you want to marry your partner in a wonderful choreographed ceremony attended by your friends and guild, go for it. Since we know they won't be providing special instances for those type of things, make sure to keep the info tight, because I can already see a couple Red Weddings taking place. If you think that while you are grouped together with your partner you should receive some sort of bonus to your grind, then let's flip it, and give a penalty when not grouped after marriage. What is there to say that polygamy isn't practiced by one of the 6 confirmed religions? You could then just daisy chain yourself some nice benefits.

    And as to your #1. I have never thought DKP as a positive thing in a guild. It only leads to drama and favoritism. And if you think I am going to be paying you to be in your guild, well I guess there are still rubes out there ready for plucking.
  • Egolego said:
    Geting married and not having sex.... like paying tax while unemployed :|  
    Well I doubt they'll add sex to the game, but who knows! =p

    I am definitely a fan of marrying people if someone can tie me down!
  • I imagine a huge zerg coming uninvited to the party and killing everyone in attendance. Remember the WoW funeral? I think that's the last time I will reference an old MMO.
  • What about marriage debuffs?

    Like if you target another character of the opposite gender you get "Slept on Couch-Stamina -10%" and "-100% on Free Time"

    Or when the marriage breaks up they get half your items.
  • I just can't help but think about ESO and how bad it handled marriage. The ring of Mara takes up a valuable slot and without it, your binding is pointless.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    Azathoth said:
    @Guildart
    Why would you need modifiers to a marriage?
    Wouldn't the marriage be a statement of love, or possible eternal friendship?
    If there are bonuses associated with being married, why would you and your buddy not just "marry" each other and move on?

    Who cares if you adventure with another character you chose to call family?
    If you and your* buddy decide marriage is weird, why not call yourselves brothers for the same benefit?
    Modifiers are just a form of benefits like any other perk of being in cooperative union/group. I'm not saying their the only options but they do seem to be prevalent in a lot of MMOs when regarding their group mechanic. Now i'll say this first, I'm quite ignorant in game design, and as such the "why" to your question isn't something I can really give an answer too, but let me propose this question to you. Why is there any modifiers to any group in most MMOs? I would hazard a guess that maybe the reason there are modifiers for groups (such as racial modifiers, guild modifiers, being part of a "node" modifiers, ect...) is all to drive cooperation and community in the game. With that being said the smallest "unit" that can be measured as a "group" would be a duo pair of players. 

    Regarding your last stament regarding your buddy and you getting "married" for the benefits. Sure I see no problem with that. Just know that divorce has it's pitfalls too ;). I mean I see no reason why two bros who want to share a life together shouldn't be able too. I mean if that's a bit too intimate there is always just becoming a "family" (think AA). We can even overlap the "modifiers" so if your a family or if your married it's the same benefits. So those who feel a true "love" connection in game can get married while bros (or gals) who just have close friends in game can instead turn those few individuals into family members instead. (Also I always liked AoW wedding system it was both extravagant and expensive to pay for but it was good fun for the guild/friends that got to partake and the city was all festive :D ). 


    What part about claiming a familial or marriage bond is the part that grants the bonus? Are the gods just happier in general for peeps with family or that are married and they think those individuals deserve a bonus that others do not?

    Yes. Literally that. In plenty of religions (which we know there will be quite a few in AoC), there are lines regarding procreation and how God(s) smile kindly on those who have families and close familial ties. 

    I don't think being in a guild should give you bonuses, you should join a guild for companionship and to adventure with like minded individuals. If you only join a guild for bonuses I would say, imo, you are doing it wrong.
    I'll be honest, this statement while I disagree w/ it was hard for me to formulate an answer to. The main reason is because it touches onto three (probably more) different underlying ideas that need to be addressed. 

    1. The opinion that guild bonuses (benefits) detract from players who seek guilds for companionship/adventure as their primary focus.
    A. I simply,  fundamentally disagree w/ this sentiment. I don't believe that having benefits "detracts" from a player. 

    2. That guild bonuses (benefits) are an inherently negative idea, and bring no positive aspects to a game. 
    A. Again i disagree, benefits can bring alot of positive to a game. If we make the assumptions that not all "benefits" are accessible to all guilds. (I.E guild can choose a path of "benefits" tailored to their specific interest). Then we would have a very diverse and dynamic guild population in game. Some guilds would focus on economical gains (either through commerce or investment banking), there would be guilds that focus on being mercs (small-medium pvp guilds). There would be massive "zerg" guilds (those who seek to have the most members possible). There will be specific raiding guilds or maybe even specific life-skilling(crafting, ect..) guilds. This diverse biome of guilds would create an interesting (and in this case dynamic/interesting is a good thing) guilds diplomacy and interactions. 

     
    3. That those who join a guild for another reason then companionship/adventure are playing a game "wrong". 
    A. This statement made me tilt my head. How can someone being playing the game "wrong" as long as their enjoying themselves and not breaking ToS? That's seems a bit narrow. People have varying reasons to do anything, and that includes joining a guild to dismiss all of them and label them as wrong as long as they don't fit into "companionship/adventure"  just seems...well wrong lol. 

    I'm curious are you also against guilds getting benefits from owning a one of the five guild castles in game? I mean the guild (and presumably the members) get benefits by owning such a castle. Is that against your belief also?

    I believe in general there should be no xp modifiers in the game. Why does everyone want a hand out in MMO's?
    No problem with that, that's a fair opinoin. Xp-modifers was just one of the plethora of benefits that can be given. 

    As far as why it is a concern of mine, this thread was started so everyone could voice their opinions on the subject, and I voiced mine. It would concern me if everyone joined a guild and then everyone in the guild paired off to get married so* they can have bonuses. Because, imo, that's lame.
    Maybe i'm mis-reading your statement above. I asked why this was your concern in a previous post,  in the context of why would this be a negative issue (having modifiers for those who make a family or get married). I don't believe I ever touched a point on whether or not you were able to voice an opinion? 

    Well first that seems like a slippery slope argument. Secondly i'm not even sure where to begin trying to approach your statement. I could start with the idea that marriages themselves are quite expensive (pay alot of ingame currency in order to have the ceremony (think AoW)) and that should alleviate your concerns that everyone would get married. Another idea is that people get the same benefits form marriage as they do for creating a "family" then  would that alleviate your concerns? Another statement could be that people who choose a specific religion in-game get certain benefits/modifiers, would you be concerned that everyone in your guild would end up being zealot dwarfs under the same premise? Also doesn't the same thing sort of happen regarding a node, i mean you join a guild but then your guild mates all want to join a specific node so that you guys can all get the same sort of benefits from a particular node, would that be a concern of yours?


    All in all I quite enjoy this conversation it really brings into light some concerns that I wouldn't have thought of. 
  • Fair, and I believe your overall point is valid.
    I just don't think Ashes has to fall in line and do what all other MMO's are doing. I can understand giving bonuses to guilds doing guild content, taking castles and such, but bonuses for adventuring together does not, nor has it ever, made sense to me.

    I think it does encourage grouping, but I think content and content difficulty should do that. Players should group together because they have reasons outside of modifiers.

    For me there is no reason to make being married beneficial, the players should choose marriage for RP or IRL reasons. Guilds should be able to form a solid community in and around itself and offer guild members friends/regulars/mates to do content with.

    Adding bonuses, for me, has always been a cheap way of saying "we don't know how to encourage players to engage with each other, so lets pay them off to do it."
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited February 2018
    Azathoth said:
    Fair, and I believe your overall point is valid.
    I just don't think Ashes has to fall in line and do what all other MMO's are doing. I can understand giving bonuses to guilds doing guild content, taking castles and such, but bonuses for adventuring together does not, nor has it ever, made sense to me.

    I think it does encourage grouping, but I think content and content difficulty should do that. Players should group together because they have reasons outside of modifiers.

    For me there is no reason to make being married beneficial, the players should choose marriage for RP or IRL reasons. Guilds should be able to form a solid community in and around itself and offer guild members friends/regulars/mates to do content with.

    Adding bonuses, for me, has always been a cheap way of saying "we don't know how to encourage players to engage with each other, so lets pay them off to do it."
    Lol i just finished typing and editing (please go back above i went into much more detail). 

    *Also I can see where you are coming from, and your last sentence basically sums it up perfect (your position on why its a bad/boring system). 
  • I understand the premise of promoting players to play together using benefits granted from one union or another. I just don't think it's necessary. Which, by default, allows me to not be concerned with your points. Not that I think they are not valid, it's just that they are made to promote something I disagree with, and I am naturally arrogant :wink:.

    You bring up a lot of valid concerns. If one of the guild "leveling" paths allows the guild to grant benefits to it's members, I think that is awesome. That is also going to be the most likely guild I join, as opposed to one that follows the path of huge rosters. Does that mean I think they are necessary, no. Just that it's awesome IS has chosen to be that dynamic with their guild structure.

    As for marriage/familial bond benefits, I see no point. You are simple giving two, or more, players benefits for playing together. Which is something they would, apparently, be more inclined to do anyways. I just don't see why a group of friends, or RL family members, should be rewarded for doing something they are already going to do. I hope marriages will be a thing, and I think players should be able to choose the amount they spend on them. That said, if your example becomes the reality and there are 1 or more bonuses to marriage, it should have a cost and it should be "locked" so that the players can't un-marry. Otherwise [enter a slippery slope type argument]...
    Like USE mentioned, hopefully one of the religions offers you the chance to marry multiple players. Why not.

    When I mentioned earlier about voicing my opinion I was trying to indicate that, originally, I wasn't thinking of why it would actually concern me. Just that I wanted to share my opinion. Re-reading that I do sound kind of dickish, not my goal. Nor do I believe you were trying to indicate I could/should not be allowed to.

    I also don't think giving benefits to players that choose a bond, any, is a negative thing. Just a pointless one. Hence my statement, "If you only join a guild for bonuses I would say, imo, you are doing it wrong." I don't believe you would be playing the game incorrectly, just that your motives, again imo, aren't genuine. Then you're just min/maxing and I don't consider that a valid play type for RPG's. [It might be, I just don't think it is.]

    I 100% believe that guilds, nodes, and other things will grant a variety of stat/xp bonuses. I just don't think that it's necessary.

    I would hope that Ashes offers many other, imo better, reasons to join guilds, choose specific religions, and nodes. If the benefits are just a secondary flavor to something the game encourages you to do naturally, it would be a win for me.

    Oh, I do believe that guilds should have benefits from winning and maintaining castles. I just think those benefits should only affect the defense and offense of that structure. Not grant some sort of blanket xp/stat modifier as long as they can keep it.
  • All in all interesting points. It's been a fun topic. :D
  • I love the idea of in game marriage. For those who like to role play, it would be an amazing feat to have (as long as you can have a grand wedding, etc.). Also, I hope that there will be no restrictions on who can get married, and that includes same sex marriages. As for the children role, I love the sound of that, i’ll make my children casters, or at least one of them (if my spouse wants some to be melee) xD. Would there be an adoption feat for any same sex couples?
  • I don't mind the marriage system. It's pretty common in some of the Japanese and Korean MMOs I've played. There was one that allowed couples to sit on a bench and simply regain health/mana at a slightly faster rate than those that set up their solo camping tents. Though there were additional party based tents you could get to kinda even the playing field for those that don't do the marriage option.

    However, there would be a payment requirement for creating and absolving a marriage. 

    Couple mounts and pets are kind of a thing that I've seen too, though no really special abilities added, just cosmetic stuff.

    Having it in the system would be nice from a role playing/immersion aspect. Keeping away from too many special features/bonuses would hopefully keep some sort of balance between couples and singles to keep a nice mix within each community.

    It's like a little thing, that just adds a little something extra to what a player would expect to see in a world, but definitely not a main feature.
  • I like the idea of in game marriage having benefits in game - just not in combat.

    Maybe even something as simple as allowing a married couple to place freehold land closer together than people that are not married.
  • I still like the joint storage as a bonus, and the honeymoon trip to a special dungeon, to gain décor for your freehold/ home. Like other have said, a few small things to add to the act of marriage in game would be nice, but nothing major that effects others with wild bonuses.
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