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to pvp or to not pvp
ok I must first state that I'm not big on pvp because I'm not that good at it
having said that I thought we should have a discussion on open world pvp
with all the talk these days about youth violence in are world today, what roll does video games play in deluding are youth's minds. do u think we should do better job protecting are kids ?
yes I know Ashes is not a first shooter type game and we mostly kill big old ugly mobs. but we still have the pvp aspect in most mmo's . I think there is a difference in pvp when you are sieging a fort and pvp in open world .in open world its more like murder then fun combat and peoples get very heated at times when they just want left alone , as others are getting a kick out of messing with someone just to be a dick
yes I know ashes doesn't have body parts flying all over the place but I do think it is something we should talk about. I know there is a system in place to help prevent most of these issues but is open world pvp something we really need in game?
if you think back to when mmo's started like DnD of example there was no pvp just getting together with a bunch of friends and having fun
I think pvp has its place in this game.. sieges, arena, caravans things like that .
I hope the meaning of what I was trying to say didn't get to lost here hope to hear your feed back
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no that's not what im trying to say
and im not so bad at pvp that I think it shouldn't be in game at all
just think we should look at how games form the minds of people to young to saperate rl from gl
I think its worth talking about
Unfortunately children are trying to develop a sense of self until they are, in some cases, in their late 20's. Having too much access to violent materials can desensitize to real violence, but in the end, they are responsible for their own actions. Those under the age of 16-18 need to have active parents (or guardians) in their life to help positively channel that level of energy or those negative thoughts (killing animals, abusing others, wanting to kill others, etc.).
I do not believe that a game company, movie production studio, or record label should ever be punished for what someone does "...because I listened to rap I killed the five-O."
As for the open world PvP, you can't relate that to murder. It's not. Nor is only targeting and killing female players equivalent to **** (as has been suggested by some groups in the recent past). You *might* be able to claim cyber bullying if the same character repeatedly harasses you and you take precautions to avoid them. Applying rl consequences to an in game avatar is silly and borderline insane.
Sometimes in the debate of PvP attacking/killing greens we relate that to in game murder due to the fact that Verra *punishes* those players with corruption and flagging them for bounty hunters. There have been several debates on the use of this term in the forums already.
If you, or someone you know, begin taking a game too seriously and start believing that actions taken in the game without RL consequences are somehow transferable to the real world, please seek out help for yourself or the other person.
Azathoth said
As a parent, if you notice your child is adversely affected by anything they play, listen to, or watch on TV it is your responsibility to set them straight. The community does have some responsibility to report problems as they develop and not just be a bystander as someone slowly spirals out of control. It, however, is not the communities responsibility to censor everything they do to prevent such things.
Unfortunately children are trying to develop a sense of self until they are, in some cases, in their late 20's. Having too much access to violent materials can desensitize to real violence, but in the end, they are responsible for their own actions. Those under the age of 16-18 need to have active parents (or guardians) in their life to help positively channel that level of energy or those negative thoughts (killing animals, abusing others, wanting to kill others, etc.).
I do not believe that a game company, movie production studio, or record label should ever be punished for what someone does "...because I listened to rap I killed the five-O."
As for the open world PvP, you can't relate that to murder. It's not. Nor is only targeting and killing female players equivalent to **** (as has been suggested by some groups in the recent past). You *might* be able to claim cyber bullying if the same character repeatedly harasses you and you take precautions to avoid them. Applying rl consequences to an in game avatar is silly and borderline insane.
Sometimes in the debate of PvP attacking/killing greens we relate that to in game murder due to the fact that Verra *punishes* those players with corruption and flagging them for bounty hunters. There have been several debates on the use of this term in the forums already.
If you, or someone you know, begin taking a game too seriously and start believing that actions taken in the game without RL consequences are somehow transferable to the real world, please seek out help for yourself or the other person.
I do agree with most things u point out . and I should have choice a better word then murder that was a bad choice o
You don't like world pvp and are trying to exploit a perception in our society to get what you want. That is very awesome of you.
I am not against PVP. I am sorry I mentioned that. I was wanting to get a discussion started, that is rational and both sides of the argument can be explored. At this time, the heads of the gaming industry are supposed to meet with the leaders of the government to discuss whether or not the violence in these types of games has an influence on the young. I was wanting opinions. Snarky remarks do not make for a 2 way conversation.
Perhaps you are right, maybe both PVE and PVP should be a part of the conversation. I guess when I was thinking about this, I was thinking about the adrenaline rush that comes with the PVP aspect of the game that isn't as significant with PVE and that's why I was picking on PVP. Please note, I am not against gaming. I love gaming. Since it is now being discussed at a national level I thought that we as gamers should have a part in the conversation.
Azathoth said
As a parent, if you notice your child is adversely affected by anything they play, listen to, or watch on TV it is your responsibility to set them straight. The community does have some responsibility to report problems as they develop and not just be a bystander as someone slowly spirals out of control. It, however, is not the communities responsibility to censor everything they do to prevent such things.
Unfortunately children are trying to develop a sense of self until they are, in some cases, in their late 20's. Having too much access to violent materials can desensitize to real violence, but in the end, they are responsible for their own actions. Those under the age of 16-18 need to have active parents (or guardians) in their life to help positively channel that level of energy or those negative thoughts (killing animals, abusing others, wanting to kill others, etc.).
I do not believe that a game company, movie production studio, or record label should ever be punished for what someone does "...because I listened to rap I killed the five-O."
As for the open world PvP, you can't relate that to murder. It's not. Nor is only targeting and killing female players equivalent to **** (as has been suggested by some groups in the recent past). You *might* be able to claim cyber bullying if the same character repeatedly harasses you and you take precautions to avoid them. Applying rl consequences to an in game avatar is silly and borderline insane.
Sometimes in the debate of PvP attacking/killing greens we relate that to in game murder due to the fact that Verra *punishes* those players with corruption and flagging them for bounty hunters. There have been several debates on the use of this term in the forums already.
If you, or someone you know, begin taking a game too seriously and start believing that actions taken in the game without RL consequences are somehow transferable to the real world, please seek out help for yourself or the other person.
I do agree with most things u point out . and I should have choice a better word then murder that was a bad choice of words
Ive been playing these games since 1994. PvP and all. Not once did it cross my mind to go kill people.
Also, parents can determine if their kid can watch something or not. I don't know. You know? Parents? They can say the word "no"
It often crosses my mind to go kill people, at Wal-Mart, in traffic, at work, etc. I am stable enough, and cognitive enough to understand that is not right and therefore not act on it.
*tense edit
The narrative has been off for years, its the minority who have the issue and it is the minority with the issue who should be subjected to restrictions. Im a functioning adult who has never harmed anyone or committed crimes. Why shouldnt I be able to play a game, that allows me to kill other players?
That being said Ashes isnt a game I think my guild is going to do anyway because of the open world pvp, at least at this stage its to vague for us and we simply dont enjoy it. That said, I support 100% the gamers who do want that in their games.
We should remove warning labels and prevent companies from being sued over what would clearly be an idiotic use of their product.
You should not apply the same penalties to PvP that apply to PvE so as not to discourage PvP participation.
It's good to have harsher penalties in PvE cause that will only dissuade the snowflakes from gaming who we don't want anyways.
Rewarding winning in PvP is better than punishing loss in PvP .
Smart / good people will not act in bad way in RL regardless of how many blood thirsty movies they watch, or games they play.
Contrary to what some stupid people are trying to promote, a person does not become violent due to something he sees outside in real world. He becomes violent because he is a disturbed **** inside himself.
(I must emphasize here that I'm talking about RL now, and not about people RP assassins or PvPing in a MMO).
finally this is the feed back I was looking for. I think its Monday the head's of gaming industry are going to be at the whitehouse to talk about this issue the more we can support them the better