Auction House

AUCTION HOUSE!

  • Alright now that I have your attention.

  • Unfortunately in a lot of MMOs Auction Houses are conflated with Marketplaces, but they are in fact two different mechanisms for commerce.

  • Marketplace would be dealing with items that are considered low, medium, and (low) high tiered items. Things like timber, and potions, and ores, ect...

  • Auction houses are meant to be more for luxury and high tiered items. Items that wouldn’t normally be on a marketplace. Things like legendary gear, Dragon Eggs, Super rare minerals, ect…

  • Now I’ve always envisioned an Auction House being almost like an event.

    • It happens every 2-4 weeks.

    • Players must be physically present at a location/node to be able to participate.

    • Players have to purchase a ticket to participate (money sink).

    • The item’s list will be announced 5 days prior (to give players in other ZOI enough time to get to the there).

    • Items come from player base of course (though 1-2 randomly generated high tiered raw materials might come from the game/auction house itself).

    • Items can be sold for 2x-4x the maximum marketplace minimum (to incentives players to participate by selling their items). (Also 1x-2x of it could be used as a money sink (ala tax)).

    • Bids will start at minimum (or maximum) market value and each bid must be at least 10% higher than the last.

    • Players can buyout an item for maximum price only after the item has reached 50% of its maximum buyout potential.


Thoughts on such a building being implemented in Ashes. 


Comments

  • AlanzoMckieAlanzoMckie Member
    Man stuff like this would really make gathers a more wanted group and the cities would feel much more alive than just going from quest to quest a nice little thing to look forward to
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member ✭✭
    Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

  • GrisuGrisu Member alpha-0-rank
    I'll be so cheeky and throw in my old thread about auction house and mechanics in as an alternative/additional thoughts to your idea.
     

    I would definitly want auctions as a concept to be present, in whatever form that may be, preferably something more common than your event based idea.
    I duno about it in general. Locking down your items for at least 5 days, if it's something of such high quality I'm certain you could find a good price in 2 weeks. It just feels like it would become obsolete to participate since player to player trading (wiki link) is a thing.
    I fear as a player that there isn't enough benefit for all the hazzle, restrictions and risks involved  the way I understand your description.
    That said, having those events filled with "rare" items through npc input depending on factors like city state (level of it), what focus the city has in it's building, or maybe even what is traded in the city frequently from surrounding gatheringspots. It could very well be something worth participating for.
    "I can be your strangest life fulfilling wish." - Grisu
    'I can be your darkest life devouring nightmare.' - aka. Zekece#1819
    Let's build a Nation together.
  • MinizemMinizem Member
    I hesitate to support this. It sounds good on the surface, but ultimately, even with the two or four week break in between, that auctions would be played around to heavily, and If I'm going to have a time crunch for farming items or gold, I'd rather have it be "I need these items/gold before winter rolls around" rather than "I need these items/gold for an arbitrary auction house event." However it did give me an interesting idea: Traders. While higher developed nodes have caravans and other economic deals they can make, perhaps some lower-developed nodes can have a traveling group of merchants selling an assortment of goods that might be hard to come across in the nodes local market. I'm not sure how exactly that would be implemented, and how often they would visit, but I think that would be a cool alternative to your AH idea while also keeping it somewhat flavorful.
  • JahlonJahlon Member alpha-stress-tester
    Sadly, while this idea might have a place in some game some day, it moves you away from a sandbox mentality.

    You've also placed restrains on things (what things can be sold for, what minimum bids, etc) and that violates a player driven economy.

    And this:

    • Items come from player base of course (though 1-2 randomly generated high tiered raw materials might come from the game/auction house itself).

    Would be a horrible idea.  The purpose of raw materials is for them to be rare.   Doing this doesn't help gatherers, it hurts them. 
  • GuildartGuildart Member alpha-0-rank
    edited October 6
    Man stuff like this would really make gathers a more wanted group and the cities would feel much more alive than just going from quest to quest a nice little thing to look forward to
    I also think so, it would make nodes more lively 

    Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

    That's a fair point. For players like yourself such game mechanics in commerce would seem boring, though I'd like to state that it wouldn't be so for everyone else. Under my particular idea of an Auction House one isn't forced to participate in buying, nor is one forced to sell their items in the Auction House. The Auction House is just another viable way of buying/selling high end gear. 

    I also think this would be quite fun, and challenging. For high end players (those pushing the curve) money might not be necessarily an issue for them but items/materials/ect.. might be. This sort of event is almost like a mini holiday where those with a bit of gambling and bid warring tendencies can duke it out with each other. Playing the market and being a finance mogul to some players is fun. To dismiss the fun players have in commerce/finance is to ignore one of the 4 core node types and cornerstones of AoC. Commerce nodes themselves at Metro will give ZOI marketplace, to the developers they thought that such a finance driven benefit would be an enticing enough reason for players to live/work/play in such a node. (Not even including the fact that there will be a stock exchange where there will be different companies/guilds/nodes all up for buying and selling stocks). I have no doubt that there will be players who's whole gaming experience will be mainly focused on becoming their nodes biggest finance mogul. 

    One of the main reasons for having such an Auction House was due to me finding out that item pricing wont truly be up to the players (in order to combat money funneling). That there will be a min/max on items. If players think that their legendary item is worth more than the current marketplace max then then can try their luck by throwing it onto the Auction House (for a fee). 

    Grisu said:
    I'll be so cheeky and throw in my old thread about auction house and mechanics in as an alternative/additional thoughts to your idea.
     

    I would definitly want auctions as a concept to be present, in whatever form that may be, preferably something more common than your event based idea.
    I duno about it in general. Locking down your items for at least 5 days, if it's something of such high quality I'm certain you could find a good price in 2 weeks. It just feels like it would become obsolete to participate since player to player trading (wiki link) is a thing.
    I fear as a player that there isn't enough benefit for all the hazzle, restrictions and risks involved  the way I understand your description.
    That said, having those events filled with "rare" items through npc input depending on factors like city state (level of it), what focus the city has in it's building, or maybe even what is traded in the city frequently from surrounding gatheringspots. It could very well be something worth participating for.
    That was a good read and I think it's an interesting topic (your link). Locking down items for 5 days of course is just a theory. It could be locked instead for 2 days. Or even 24 hours. Just enough that players from other ZOI and nodes can make it to the city that is holding the Auction. I'm currently unaware how long it would take to get from one end of the map to the other (including roving bandits, monsters, terrain dangers, ect....). So I just used 5 days. 

    I'm also basing the fact that I was under the impression (i may be incorrect) that there will be a min/max on items (based on market value) due to combating money funneling & and other mechanics like it. 

    I also think that 1-2 rare items of node specific (or ZOI) could be enticing enough that players would come from near and far in order to snipe such things. 

    1. Bring back names.

      1. I agree.

    2. Let me choose what items I buy.

      1. I agree.

    3. Bring back the Auction…

      1. I agree (as you already can tell).

    4. Let people bid on items to put down interest/scare off...

      1. I agree (this is an essential part of auctions)

    5. There should be interface that allow participation in several auctions

      1. I agree (though it’s one auction with several items in my iteration).

    6. List of names that participate...

      1. Logistically this might be annoying why not the top 5 bidders (and/or those in the bidding war).

    7. @pooka Alteration/Expansion

      1. It’s an interesting alternative to the original Auction House. I’m more of a fan of a physical location (space denotes function kind of theory).


    Minizem said:
    I hesitate to support this. It sounds good on the surface, but ultimately, even with the two or four week break in between, that auctions would be played around to heavily, and If I'm going to have a time crunch for farming items or gold, I'd rather have it be "I need these items/gold before winter rolls around" rather than "I need these items/gold for an arbitrary auction house event." However it did give me an interesting idea: Traders. While higher developed nodes have caravans and other economic deals they can make, perhaps some lower-developed nodes can have a traveling group of merchants selling an assortment of goods that might be hard to come across in the nodes local market. I'm not sure how exactly that would be implemented, and how often they would visit, but I think that would be a cool alternative to your AH idea while also keeping it somewhat flavorful.
    There is no "time crunch" at least not that I see (please elaborate in case i'm missing something). One can still participate in the usual marketplace to sell their items. There is also no need to rush to the Auction that week when you could potentially just wait for the next one.

    The benefit is the potential increase in net gain for the seller. 

    Roving traders is definitely an interesting idea. The caravan system might be fleshed out enough that player can select any node in their ZOI of influence and be roving traders from one node to another. 

    Jahlon said:
    Sadly, while this idea might have a place in some game some day, it moves you away from a sandbox mentality.

    You've also placed restrains on things (what things can be sold for, what minimum bids, etc) and that violates a player driven economy.

    And this:

    • Items come from player base of course (though 1-2 randomly generated high tiered raw materials might come from the game/auction house itself).

    Would be a horrible idea.  The purpose of raw materials is for them to be rare.   Doing this doesn't help gatherers, it hurts them. 
    While I don't disagree that it does place restraints. Those restraints are in response to something I was told earlier (that there will be a min/max on items in the marketplace). Since there is already a restraint on a free market economy, in order to counter act that the Auction House was created. It allows players to exceed the market max on rare/legendary items but with any benefits comes some cons (happens only 2-4 weeks, items that can be placed, ect...). 

    Again all of this is placed under the assumption of a min/max being in the marketplace. Otherwise you'd have to scrape most of the idea except for the rare items from the node (the next part you disagree with). 

    This is probably an impasse point but, I don't believe 1-2 randomly generated node specific/ZOI materials are enough to hurt a majority of gatherers. If there is a rare ore in a mining node, that has like .001% of procccing but is a key component to making some gear/weapon/item. Then the ones being hurt by never having the chance to acquire such an items are the artisan crafters/processors. With it only happening once ever 2-4 weeks, and it only being 1-2 RANDOM items/materials. The the effects it would have on the gatherers as a whole would be minimum, while still providing an avenue for the other artisans classes. (honestly the same argument could be flipped and be used for an item for crafters, or processed item for processors...the sheer number of items that could potentially be listed and the randomization of it and the limited amount per 2-4 weeks makes this argument in my view moot.)

    But please feel free to elaborate in case I'm not understanding something. 


  • CylverRayneCylverRayne Member alpha-0-rank
    Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

    Kind of contradictory.   You "don't want to be forced to stand in one place for any length of time",   yet you don't want to move or travel to another area and vendors. 
    Do you expect to be able to just click a tab and open a traveling auction house?
    Now THAT would be boring.  Oh and you can keep your "shit".
  • GrisuGrisu Member alpha-0-rank
    I'm also basing the fact that I was under the impression (i may be incorrect) that there will be a min/max on items (based on market value) due to combating money funneling & and other mechanics like it.

    I feel on the safe side when I say that won't be the case.
    As stated player to player trading as well as anti bot precautions as well as gms will be in place for Ashes. It feels like it would extend to such things as bidding/buying from marketstalls, markets, auctions making min max values obsolet.
    I certainly would like them to not be the case. The market should stabilize itself regionally through players, presenting even more opportunities for trading crossregions.

    "I can be your strangest life fulfilling wish." - Grisu
    'I can be your darkest life devouring nightmare.' - aka. Zekece#1819
    Let's build a Nation together.
  • Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

    MMOs also need a community and having a global marketplace doesn't do much to help. Why talk to people or ask guild members/randos to make/help with an item when you can just place an order and have it delivered instantly? I have firsthand experience with this in both modern runescape(aka RS3) and Old school runescape.
    And even in GW2 it didn't feel like anything I was selling, or buying for that matter, was part of the community. Just opening the menu and searching or selling, I might as well just have been trading with NPCs.

    And before you respond with nobody wants that -

    Its common knowledge nobody wanted the old runescape in wake of rs3... But its somehow popular enough to have a dedicated dev team? Hmmst. Now OSRS does have the grand exchange (rs global market) but as I mention there's no reason for me to actively participate in the community when I just offer money or goods to the game instead of another player directly.

    Now you may want an MMO with instant gratification everywhere and everything is within arms reach at all times, but personally I want one that'll be a slow burner.

    On the topic of actual auction houses, I've never played a game with proper auctions. Sounds interesting at the very least.
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member ✭✭
    Krojak said:
    Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but this is in fact how Ashes of Creation is going to work. Get ready for long horse rides from node to node to find that particular piece of cloth that you need at a decent price.

    No issue with that, each nodes AH should sell different items.
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member ✭✭
    Nah I hate stuff like this.
    Keep it all in the same place, I don't want to be forced to stand still for any length of time.
    I want to be able to buy stuff at any time.
    Gamers think they want all this realism stuff but a couple of years from now it will be huge boring chore and you will hate it.
    MMOs need to be as fun as they are challenging.
    Standing around selling shit or having to go to two separate markets for items is neither.

    MMOs also need a community and having a global marketplace doesn't do much to help. Why talk to people or ask guild members/randos to make/help with an item when you can just place an order and have it delivered instantly? I have firsthand experience with this in both modern runescape(aka RS3) and Old school runescape.
    And even in GW2 it didn't feel like anything I was selling, or buying for that matter, was part of the community. Just opening the menu and searching or selling, I might as well just have been trading with NPCs.

    And before you respond with nobody wants that -

    Its common knowledge nobody wanted the old runescape in wake of rs3... But its somehow popular enough to have a dedicated dev team? Hmmst. Now OSRS does have the grand exchange (rs global market) but as I mention there's no reason for me to actively participate in the community when I just offer money or goods to the game instead of another player directly.

    Now you may want an MMO with instant gratification everywhere and everything is within arms reach at all times, but personally I want one that'll be a slow burner.

    On the topic of actual auction houses, I've never played a game with proper auctions. Sounds interesting at the very least.

    "Keep it all in the same place" I was referring to one market for some goods and an auction for other goods.
    Every comment I make, imagine its 10 years in the future, there's no hype, it's not new and more people each day don't care about the game.
    That's how my mind works and that's the problems I try and solve today.
  • JahlonJahlon Member alpha-stress-tester
    While I don't disagree that it does place restraints. Those restraints are in response to something I was told earlier (that there will be a min/max on items in the marketplace). Since there is already a restraint on a free market economy, in order to counter act that the Auction House was created. It allows players to exceed the market max on rare/legendary items but with any benefits comes some cons (happens only 2-4 weeks, items that can be placed, ect...). 

    Again all of this is placed under the assumption of a min/max being in the marketplace. Otherwise you'd have to scrape most of the idea except for the rare items from the node (the next part you disagree with). 


    I have actually not seen anything that talks about min/max restraints on the economy.  The only thing that comes close is:

    The prices that NPCs sell items for will scale based on the economic activity on a server. Prices will rise to combat inflation and fall as a population diminishes.[20]

    The node system allows the developers to scale the experience needed to level a node and the attrition that delevels a node based on activity.[20]

    Things that NPCs buy and sell kind of scale based on the economic activity that exists on that server... As inflation rises, prices rise and everything kind of ends up being equal, even though there might be a couple of extra zeros. So that can go up and it can also go down so as a population leaves, things become less expensive and players don't have to do as much to earn that. On the other side of things we look at the node system and the node system is set up in this really flexible way that allows us to scale the experience needed to level a node and the attrition that delevels a node to scale based on activity too. So you know it's just a matter of adjusting a couple of constants and that goes up and down and the server can watch it and change those on the fly as it needs to.[20] – Jeffrey Bard

    From the Ashes of Creation Community Wiki


    I mean they have gone so far as to hire a PhD in economics to ensure the player driven economy is the best it can be.


    This is probably an impasse point but, I don't believe 1-2 randomly generated node specific/ZOI materials are enough to hurt a majority of gatherers. If there is a rare ore in a mining node, that has like .001% of procccing but is a key component to making some gear/weapon/item. Then the ones being hurt by never having the chance to acquire such an items are the artisan crafters/processors. With it only happening once ever 2-4 weeks, and it only being 1-2 RANDOM items/materials. The the effects it would have on the gatherers as a whole would be minimum, while still providing an avenue for the other artisans classes. (honestly the same argument could be flipped and be used for an item for crafters, or processed item for processors...the sheer number of items that could potentially be listed and the randomization of it and the limited amount per 2-4 weeks makes this argument in my view moot.)

    But please feel free to elaborate in case I'm not understanding something. 


    As far as the 1-2 randomly generated items on a 0.001% proc that means I'd have to harvest no less than 100,000 of an item to ensure I got one.

    [Yes I know that 1% chance means that you could get one your first hit or your 100th hit and it doesn't exclude getting 2 inside 100 hits, but if you consistently got 2 per 100 then it would be a 2% proc)

    So you take said item that has a 0.001% proc.  If I have had to harvest 100,000 Iron Ore to get the 1 Durable Iron Ore, that means Iron Ore would have almost no value because it would have to be mined non-stop to get that 1 Durable Iron Ore.

    So, I decide to sell my 1 Durable Iron Ore for 1,000,000 Gold because the proc rate is so low, the time required to find is so high, and all the other materials I've gathered to get that 1 item are of now a very low value due to the quantity I'm injecting into the system.

    If the random item proc by the market was sold for 20,000 it has artificially set the max price on my Durable Iron Ore to 20,000.  Worse still, if if it produces 2 of them, then there is no need for the one I found, I have flooded the market with the common gather, my time has been wasted, and the "system" has hurt me.


  • SkalagrimSkalagrim Member
    What people in the fantasy MMO community don't understand , is that EVERY fantasy MMORPG has gotten this wrong.  The devs have already said in one of the live streams, that they looked at EVE Online for an economic model.  That would mean no, or very little, RNG drops at all.  No high tier item drops, and limited recipe drops for them.  Little to no 'gold' drops means materials become much more important in the marketplace and it becomes self regulating without messy, and problematic, min/max rules.  Finally, Auction houses become superfluous as the local/regional marketplace is where all commerce flows.  Way simpler to code and balance.
  • DMacDMac Member
    Eve does have a good model to base trading on and thus follows with the caravans pvp element of risk for transportation since nothing magically gets transported. Wouldn't like a global system sitting over the top of regional as it would cheapen the need for traders/caravans to maintain good standing in all regions that they wish to conduct business.
  • ZiltchZiltch Member alpha-stress-tester
    • Marketplace would be dealing with items that are considered low, medium, and (low) high tiered items. Things like timber, and potions, and ores, ect...

    Completely agree, but I disagree on a few your your points on how it should work as an Event.
      • It happens every 2-4 weeks.

      • Players must be physically present at a location/node to be able to participate.

    First of all, nothing is stopping one from holding one's own player driven events where one has an Auction House, althought scams can happen here a Auction House lives on its reputation, so you can avoid this by going to Auction Houses that have a good reputation.
    Sure there will be some bad at first if they are player held but this is not something that can be completely avoided. 

    Players having to physcially be present at the Auction House's location is self explanatory if you ask me.

    • Players have to purchase a ticket to participate (money sink).

    • The item’s list will be announced 5 days prior (to give players in other ZOI enough time to get to the there).

    Purchasing a ticket might be a good thing, but it should not be priced too high.

    I see no reason why it cannot be listed 2 weeks in advance, at the end of the previous auction. This will give players even more time as well as be a good marketing strategy to announce at the end of an Auction. This also means that you will have to deposit said items to the Auction House 2 weeks or more in advance however.

    • Items come from player base of course (though 1-2 randomly generated high tiered raw materials might come from the game/auction house itself).

    • Items can be sold for 2x-4x the maximum marketplace minimum (to incentives players to participate by selling their items). (Also 1x-2x of it could be used as a money sink (ala tax)).

    • Bids will start at minimum (or maximum) market value and each bid must be at least 10% higher than the last.

    • Players can buyout an item for maximum price only after the item has reached 50% of its maximum buyout potential.

    This point I disagree with completely. I do not want randomly generated high tiered raw materials or any other form of items to come from a game system. I want all items auctioned off to come from actual players, no system generated stuff of any form or kind. 

    I also disagree with the maximum price. People who deposit items to the Auction House should be able to set a Minimum price, this minumum price will be the starting bid, with no upper limit to the final price. If someone wants to spend several times the normal sum to buy something , why should they not be able to? 
    And finally the tax, any AH that takes 25-50% of the final sale price will never be used.
    I envision that 15% would be max, and this would still be distasteful.
    5-10% is what I think would be the good number on this. Who would want to sell things on an AH if they cannot earn well on it? 

    • Bids will start at minimum (or maximum) market value and each bid must be at least 10% higher than the last.

    • Players can buyout an item for maximum price only after the item has reached 50% of its maximum buyout potential.

    As I said earlier, the min bid should be specified by the items original owner. 
    And a 10% increase on previous bid is bad practice. 
    a 10% increase based on Starting bid would make much more sense. That way it is standardized without changing too much. 

    Buyout.. At an auction house... Ruins the point of the word "Auction"
    So no. No buyout.


    There is always something new to learn
  • TheCouchNerdTheCouchNerd Member alpha-stress-tester
    edited October 11
    Hmm how do you define what's allowed to be posted there though? I could see issues with that.

    Also generating items to be bid on gives me Black Market Auction House (World of Warcraft) vibes. That would only work on unobtainable items and if you need a gold sink in the game.

    Ashen Portal Discord ( discord.me/AshenPortal ) TheCouchNerd's Discord ( discord.gg/vrEZqk4 )
  • RavudhaRavudha Member ✭✭
    I don't like the sound of restricting the times/days players can sell certain items, particularly when high-end items in MMOs are highly functional and used in gameplay, unlike many items sold in real-life auction houses that are strictly aesthetic.
  • ArxeonArxeon Member
    The problem with auction houses in games is anyone serious about biding on an item will wait for the last split second to place their bid while hoping that it was only just enough to void everyone else who waited for the last second.

    This requires setting alarms and waiting around doing little as the deadline approaches.

    Placing a bid prior to the last moment only inflates the price of the item.
  • T-ElfT-Elf Member alpha-stress-tester
    edited October 11
    I actually prefer a Broker system like EQ2.
    I'd also like the option to be able to be a traveling merchant being able to sell from my "cart".




  • AtamaAtama Member alpha-stress-tester
    Arxeon said:
    The problem with auction houses in games is anyone serious about biding on an item will wait for the last split second to place their bid while hoping that it was only just enough to void everyone else who waited for the last second.

    This requires setting alarms and waiting around doing little as the deadline approaches.

    Placing a bid prior to the last moment only inflates the price of the item.
    I ignore auctions and only buy things with a straight buying price for this very reason.  If a product is something I have to bid on, as far as I’m concerned it’s not for sale.  That’s too much of a pain in the posterior to bother with otherwise.  I don’t need PvP to happen when I’m buying a freaking hat.



  • BringsliteBringslite Member ✭✭✭

    Personal opinion-> Don't make finding and buying items anymore complicated or time consuming than is really necessary for the average merchant/shopper. Make all the detailed, player run and player operated systems you want as a player. Have a non overly complicated(read frustrating) system for players to buy and sell built into the game.

    An economy should be a fluid thing, at base, and will only really work well if it isn't overly difficult to find/buy/sell what you want to, when you want to.

  • RavnodausRavnodaus Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 11
    I like the idea of an Auction event that is held semi-regularly. But it should just be for whatever people wanna sell in the auction. Everyone gathers to buy/sell/spectate and the auction house event takes its cut.

    But this would just be an event, and regular sales and commerce would be unaffected. Anyone should be able to sell anything whenever they like. Low grade basic resources or epic endgame mythic gear. All sell-able whenever, but only locally. 

    So why an AH event? Maybe it could have longer ranges, or multiple AH events in multiple cities are linked. So for a brief moment people could shop from afar. Maybe AH events just draw a large crowd which facilitates more trades and participation. Less standing around waiting for someone to want your mid-low level bread crafting results or whatever.

    But it would have to be a moderate in impact, an event, a fun change of pace. Not a game changer. We need our commerce to run through supply lines and caravans. That is a huge facet of the games underlying functionality. So local markets and economies partitioned by distance and capacity and willingness to travel. But maybe every once in a while the AH crew rolls in with another functioning commodities portal, and holds an event? That could be fun.
    "Sometimes an ember is all we need." ~Bear Grylls

    Chat with us at: https://discordapp.com/invite/QnKyGXG
    Check out our website: https://www.embers.us/
    Ashes of Creation Wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • blunoteblunote Member
    i like the idea also adding onto it maybe there could be a sort of pre event where it spawns in the form of a giant caravan and if the players want it they'll have to defend it at is approaches a city but if they fail and the caravan is raided the event will end and the auction house won't be available until the next event where they'll have to defend it again?
  • AzathothAzathoth Member alpha-stress-tester
    Allowing players to sell the same goods for a higher price in an Auction house versus a Marketplace will push players to only sell in the Auction House. Then you have an AH either filled with over inflated prices on junk or you start telling players what they can submit. In which case the AH just becomes a store where certain things are more expensive than usual. I don't think that's a good addition.

    I think regional market places, and an AH as the top-tier Economic Node benefit is the way to go, and I would like to see what Ashes is going to implement before I claim that this particular AH idea is good or bad. As it might be worse or better than what IS does.

    I would also be against any NPC or Random object being submitted to the AH. AH's should sell things that players make, farm, or gather. It should not be a place everyone feels they have to go to so they too can get a chance at a rare material they would otherwise not have easy access too. This disrupts player agency control of the Economy.

    I don't mind the idea, and in 10 years people will be complaining about how boring Ashes is because of all the new games/tech that comes out between now and then. Regardless of what Ashes is that will be true. Might be some peeps that claims Ashes was/is still the best, but they would be like all the WOW fans at that point.

    Having to travel to a market or AH might get boring, so don't do it. :wink:
  • FornixFornix Member
    Let auctions just be player driven. Back in the good old days of Ragnarok Online, there were player stalls, but no auction house. Yet auctions for valuable items were present, community driven. It takes little more than just saying what you want to sell and have people throw their bids. You can do it in any way, shape or form.
  • PJ_RydeckerPJ_Rydecker Member alpha-stress-tester
    Interpid have said there will not be a global auction house.  Shopping will be like shopping was before online shopping was an option.  you actually have to look round the shops.  Intrepid did talk about the possibility of there being local market boards listing what is available in the node you are in and where but you still need to go to the shop to buy it. 

    Running a shop/market stall with a good reputation will be the recipe for success.  Having a good reputation will attract people back to your stall from nodes all around where as other stalls will only attract the people who cant be bother to shop around. 



  • MorteferamMorteferam Member alpha-stress-tester
    You could always create an auction enterprise of your own in game. Accruing trust is difficult but in games like ultima online where there was no central marketplace there were some great player driven alternatives :p 
Sign In or Register to comment.