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On the pitfalls of "light moderation."
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There are many regimes one may decide on when managing discourse on any platform. From a very hands off approach, to a very strict one. All of them come with some drawbacks, but I find an evenly-balanced approach works best.
The primary interest of Intrepid would seem to be in gathering as many perspectives as possible to consider while designing the game. This allows them to maximize its appeal and fun factor for as many in the target audience as they can. This is great both financially and to pursue their passion for crafting the best experience they can for us as gamers.
So, why does light moderation actually do a grave disservice to the free flow of discussion? It's actually quite simple. In such an environment, where most any language is permitted, you will have those whose primary mode of discussion involves tossing out insults against anyone with whom they disagree.
In such a situation, the recipient is left with only two options. Step away and allow the belligerent individual to effectively silence them and their perspective, or continue trying to engage the topic anyway. In either case, constructive discourse is made impossible. Either because the discussion is ended prematurely with no proper debate, or because the belligerent will simply continue escalating the insults and trolling until the entire topic is about the person they are targeting.
It is my firm opinion that repeated insults and targeted harassment absolutely ruin constructive discussion regardless of how the recipient chooses to address them, and only moderation enforcing a modicum of civility on all participants can ensure the free flow of ideas, no matter how unpopular they may be, can take place.
To anyone reading this, thank you for your time and remember we're all here because we love Ashes.
The primary interest of Intrepid would seem to be in gathering as many perspectives as possible to consider while designing the game. This allows them to maximize its appeal and fun factor for as many in the target audience as they can. This is great both financially and to pursue their passion for crafting the best experience they can for us as gamers.
So, why does light moderation actually do a grave disservice to the free flow of discussion? It's actually quite simple. In such an environment, where most any language is permitted, you will have those whose primary mode of discussion involves tossing out insults against anyone with whom they disagree.
In such a situation, the recipient is left with only two options. Step away and allow the belligerent individual to effectively silence them and their perspective, or continue trying to engage the topic anyway. In either case, constructive discourse is made impossible. Either because the discussion is ended prematurely with no proper debate, or because the belligerent will simply continue escalating the insults and trolling until the entire topic is about the person they are targeting.
It is my firm opinion that repeated insults and targeted harassment absolutely ruin constructive discussion regardless of how the recipient chooses to address them, and only moderation enforcing a modicum of civility on all participants can ensure the free flow of ideas, no matter how unpopular they may be, can take place.
To anyone reading this, thank you for your time and remember we're all here because we love Ashes.
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We are however at 3 comments and none of them have even attempted to engage the actual topic. Which I believe definitely has merit or I would not have posted it in the first place.
With a passive aggressive post this time.
The fact is, a forum thread really is the best place to hash out such an issue. If people think the current moderation regime is fine, they should absolutely say so.
I, Nagash, think the current moderation for the ashes of creation community is completely fine.
as for USE post I think at has to do with you as a person and not the topic its self.
ITS MY FIRM OPINION THAT YOU SHOULD BE BANNED!! THIS TIME WITHOUT ANY TAKE BACKS! YOU ARE DOING THE SAME SHIT AS BEFORE!
And I’ve served as a moderator on multiple boards over the years, and I’m an administrator at Wikipedia (semi-retired) so I know from the other side what good and bad moderation looks like. These boards are fine.
Somehow you seem to have neglected to mention the option to block people if you don't like them, even if that's what you personally do. Why did you leave this option out? oO
Also, if they dont reply to you anymore all over sudden, maybe your topic just wasn't interesting? Maybe it was boring or not worth discussing?
The only times I've seen it "end prematurely" is when you
A: Change the topic
B: Starts talking to someone else
C: Ignores the person you were discussing with all over sudden
D; Stop talking about it
As you've so graciously said in the past to others "Just ignore them or block them"
Take your own advice?
Guess what, the CEO has said that "Toxicity" as you so view it, is fine as long as it does stay within certain bounds when it comes to language, and that it involves only the game, so no real life stuff etc.
Besides those points, you will have friction between different Guilds for instance, CEO knows this and accepts this fact, he just tells people to stay within certain bounds.
" only moderation enforcing a modicum of civility on all participants can ensure the free flow of ideas, no matter how unpopular they may be, can take place."
This just makes it seem like that you're upset that people don't like your opinions and ideas.
They still won't like them even if moderation became heavier you know, neither would they spread your ideas to others if they don't like them, so they still wouldn't "flow free".
There is literally nothing that stops you from speaking your mind, but do note that people will respond if:
They like your idea and agree with it
They dislike your idea and disagree with it
Trying to silence people just because they don't like your ideas/opinions is exactly what stops "Free flow of ideas".
You yourself just disagreed with me, and that's fine. I surely would not wish to have such a post removed. There would be no valid reason to do so.
However as it is arguing a false premise, I don't feel a full response is necessary.